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  1. ter334 says:

    He played peace tennis with all the foreign guys, including, NK and essentially put the peace ball in their end of the court. If they want peace or are peaceful they have to do something peaceful. Yelling akbar allah and pumping the air with a clinched fist is not peaceful.

    1. Brad Fisher says:

      And besides he is surrounded by the best guards possible. Easy to talk when you’re insolated.

      1. Woody says:

        Yes, the Pope should communicate with Pius XII

        1. sandraleesmith46 says:

          Pius XII betrayed both Catholics and Jews.

    2. Kathryn Ross says:

      Yes ter334, Trump hit the ball right out of the park with his talks of “Peace” and rightfully so…..Trump’s Peace Train will keep on rolling! with thoughts of people joining hands all across the Globe… Trump will gather passengers for his then “Love” Train all over the World…..

  2. J Wayne Watson says:

    The Pope must know his history very well. They built the Vatican wall in 800+-to protect themselves from the Muslems!! Short memories can get one killed!

    1. astrojohn says:

      I think you meant NOT know…

      1. Bird says:

        I think JWayne got it right…. the Pope DOES know his history VERY WELL, but chooses to ignore it and hopes everyone else does too.

        1. Maria castro says:

          They are cretinoids, brainwashed with Clorox.

          1. CommonSense4America says:

            Is that the same as bleach bit? Gets rid of emails?

    2. Maria castro says:

      That is why they are not teaching history to our new breed of snowflakes. High, obsess by sex and ignorant. A great combination for their agenda. Everything they do is with a purpose.

      1. David in MA says:

        But, But, that’s the Communist way!

      2. John Keatts says:

        You said a mouth full there.

    3. desert says:

      From the muslims they helped to BUILD! He is a phony, a false prophet…by their own prophecies…!!

      1. AL ELLIS says:

        I believe him to be the Anti-Christ.

        1. dbondinkc says:

          Right now, there are many anti-christs. Not sure which “him” you delegate this label to.

          1. 1KR says:

            yeah, and at least one of them is female, and Barry Hussein’s puppet master

          2. No name nut case says:

            Yeah but Barry is, also. We have a country full of anti-Christs. The government is full of them because the populace is full of them. Thank goodness we managed to get someone in D.C. who isn’t a career politician. Maybe he isn’t an anti-Christ.

          3. Well, Trump has been a Democrat insider and king maker for the Democrat party. He is the one who got Obama nominated and elected,with his influence and money.

          4. fred schramm says:

            youre right but not now He even said I used to be one of them

          5. Indeed! He still is ideologically. This last election was unique and offered no ideological choice. Both candidates were lifetime far left liberal Democrats so it ended up being a beauty contest. Changing parties is not necessarily an indication of an ideological change. In this case it was a clever ploy by George Soros to make it certain that a leftist would be elected POTUS.

          6. Woody says:

            You missed like the fritzy media; still wondering why our election did not elect wonder woman? We owe it to Mary–prolife candidate won–after Cardinal Burke on August 13 asked for the never-miss 54 day Rosary to begin on Mary Feast day Aug 15th and end on Mary Fest Day Oct 7th-with this 18,000,131 Rosaries were prayed for Trump (only pro-life candidate); Mary knows a little better than one of His priests.

          7. It sounds as if you are saying that Trump is pro-life. Is that your contention? Trump has never been pro-life and even wanted abortion on demand to be a part of the Republican platform. Thankfully the committee refused. Furthermore, the first act of Trump as POTUS was to break his promise to conservatives who doubted his sudden conversion to the ideological right. Despite his promise he nominated and got confirmed the most far left liberal to ever serve on SCOTUS. Gorsuch is pro-abortion, favors the redefining of marriage to include same sex couples and attends a radically far left activist church that confirms homosexual unions. Trump is definitely NOT pro-life by his words and actions. I was not aware of Cardinal Burke supporting Trump. Tell me please that I misunderstood your post.

          8. Woody says:

            you have too little and erroneous logic to even answer especially if you did not know of Card Burke’s which is easily “googled?”

          9. I never thought of the Cardinal being a leftist.I am surprised and frankly shocked by this revelation.

          10. No name nut case says:

            Can you offer any proof of Trump being pro-abortion? I can’t imagine that a Christian man would be pro-abortion. I think you pulled that one out of your butt. As a matter of fact, I think everything you wrote is something you pulled out of your butt!

          11. We are discussing Trump here, the man that said he has no need for Christ’s redeeming grace. He is no Christian as his words reveal. It is strong evidence that Trump is pro-abortion when he nominated a pro-abortion judge to SCOTUS. Gorsuch is also for the redefining of marriage to include same sex couples. Gorsuch attends a far left liberal activist church where homosexual unions are confirmed. Did you not research Trump at all?

          12. First of all, Trump is not a Christian which he revealed when he said that he did not need Christ’s redeeming grace. The proof of Trump being pro-abortion is when he betrayed us conservatives and appointed a far left liberal judge to SCOTUS, Neil Gorsuch. As my mother always said, “actions speak louder than words”.

          13. No name nut case says:

            You don’t know anything about the bible, do you? It is obvious.

          14. No name nut case says:

            Trump is a Presbyterian. Not my favorite but not my choice to make.
            I never heard nor read Trump saying any such thing as not being a Christian.

          15. Trump has never been pro-life and even wanted abortion on demand to be a part of the Republican platform. Thankfully the committee refused. Furthermore, the first act of Trump as POTUS was to break his promise to conservatives who doubted his sudden conversion to the ideological right. Despite his promise he nominated and got confirmed the most far left liberal to ever serve on SCOTUS. Gorsuch is pro-abortion, favors the redefining of marriage to include same sex couples and attends a radically far left activist church that confirms homosexual unions. Trump is definitely NOT pro-life by his words and actions.

          16. Woody says:

            “Judge not lest ye be judged.” “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
            No one was worse than Peter and He was made FIRST among the Apostles being mentioned 1st 196 times in the NT with St John coming in 2nd with 29 mentions.
            All of what you say is bunk. Trump’s wife is Catholic also. He struck all of BOs immoral stance against the Little Sisters of the Poor and all the others affected.
            Even the newsies say the opposite of you regardiing Gorsuch and why he was so viciously opposed by all the Libs.

          17. Why not do your own research before coming to conclusions. The truth is that Gorsuch is a far left liberal ideologue like Trump. Which means that Trump broke his promise to conservatives to nominate a conservative to SCOTUS. It was because of Trump’s own leftist ideology that conservatives like myself were skeptical about Trump appointing a conservative to the court. Remember the list that Trump made to diffuse the doubts about him nominating a leftist judge. Trump ignored his promise and appointed the most far left judge to ever serve on the court.
            Gorsuch is pro-abortion stating that abortion is settled law and cannot be questioned. He said the same about redefining marriage to include same-sex unions to be called marriages. Gorsuch attends a far left liberal activist Church that confirms gay unions. As a result. Gorsuch is the most far left Judge to ever serve on the court and the undeniable conclusion is that Trump broke his promise to conservatives.

          18. No name nut case says:

            Oh, yes, one was worse. That was the apostle Paul (Saul of Tarsus). He calls himself the “chief of sinners.” Reading his epistles is enlightening.

          19. No name nut case says:

            Well, actually there was one worst than Peter. Peter was just a fisherman. The apostle Paul (who was Saul of Tarsus) said that he was the chief of sinners. The verse is 1 Timothy 1:15, This is a faithful saying,
            and worthy
            of all acceptation, that
            Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners;
            of whom
            I am chief. You should spend some time reading Paul’s epistles.

          20. No name nut case says:

            You are full of yourself and just trying to raise people’s ire. You aren’t making me angry, I just think you are one of the dumbest people I’ve ever corresponded with (can’t call this talking since we can’t see each other).

          21. Woody says:

            Notice that he does not answer your questions as it iis bunk.

          22. Trump is not a Christian. He has clearly stated that he has no need for God’s forgiving Grace.

          23. No name nut case says:

            Can you provide proof of your allegation? I happen to know that he is a member of the Presbyterian church.

          24. A very recent member. As a child his father was a Presbyterian but Trump has no adult history of being a Christian of any sort. Trumps father was a Klansman and many of them were Presbyterians and Baptists. He has stated that he is not a Christian and I have no reason not to believe him. He said that he has no need for God’s sanctifying Grace. One recognizing their need for Grace is the first step to becoming a Christian. Trump has not taken that first step. I am quite certain that his arrogance will keep him from ever becoming a Christian.

          25. Kol says:

            How I Dealt With My Church’s Asshole Priest – Study Breaks Magazine

            https://studybreaks.com/2016/04/25/how-i-dealt-with-my-churchs-asshole-priest/

            Apr 25, 2016 – Forgive Me, Father: How I Dealt With an Asshole Priest … However, there are some rare occasions in which I channel my Catholic school girl days and … I rated the church one-star with a long comment on the rude staff that …

            Why are the priests in the Catholic Church so rude? | Yahoo Answers

            https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100606055343AAAUXCF

            Jun 6, 2010 – There was nothing rude about what the priests did and there is not a code word. They saved you from bringing condemnation on yourself.

            Mean spirited priests – Discussion on Topix

            http://www.topix.com › Roman Catholic Church

            Mar 13, 2012 – 20 posts – ‎4 authors

            Anyone out there in cyberland have a bad experience with Catholic clergy? … priest was a vile Italian midget who was rude and mean-spirited.

            Why Are So Many Catholics So Angry With So Many Priests?

            thesestonewalls.com/…/why-are-so-many-catholics-so-angry-with-so-many-priests/

            Jul 11, 2012 – … that threatens Constitutional due process for Catholic priests. … It was my first assignment as a priest back in 1982, in a parish badly splintered by lawsuits and factions. …. I don’t mean to sound self-righteous, or rude.

          26. Kol says:

            Video shows Catholic priest violently shaking the heads of young …

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Outrage-video-showing-Catholic-priest-violently-shaking-he...

            Jan 22, 2016 – Outrage over video showing Catholic priest violently shaking the heads of young children and even KICKING one as they lined up for their First … .

          27. The link does not work. I assume that what you claim about the video is true but what is the point you are laboring to make?

          28. Kol says:

            What Does the Bible Say About Religious Hypocrites? – OpenBible.info

            https://www.openbible.info/topics/religious_hypocrites

            Bible verses about Religious Hypocrites. … Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to …

            25+ best ideas about Hypocrite Christian on Pinterest | Hypocrite …

            https://www.pinterest.com/explore/hypocrite-christian/

            … on Pinterest. | See more about Hypocrite quotes, Ministry quotes and Christian living. … See More. Hypocrite Christians | Finally, a promise from scripture;.

          29. Woody says:

            He won’t he is just another diseased TDS Trump Derangement Syndrome;

          30. Kol says:

            Bashing liberals, Muslims and millennials: Has this pro-Trump priest …

            http://www.nj.com/news/index…/bashing_liberals_muslims_and_millennials_has_this.html

            Feb 10, 2017 – But West, 57, is a Catholic priest in the Archdiocese of Newark, and some of his … of yourself for supporting pro-abortion, anti-family politicians.

          31. Dr.Nelsion says:

            Can you read, children of your mother the whore???In the book of revelation the RCC is judged and burned by God Himself. Those who join to a whore, are one with the whore. I guess that’s too hot for you to handle. Make not mistakes about; idolaters will not enter the kingdom of heaven, no matter how many rosaries from hell you recite, and the one you call Mary won’t even here you. Repent and give your life to the Son of God.

          32. Catholic’s are not idolaters. The Catholic Church is the last place you would find idolatry practiced as it is forbidden by our Lord and Savior. God never condemned His Church as you claim. Instead God promised that the gates of hell would never prevail against his Church and that it will endure until the Parousia. Jesus hears our prayers and Catholics define repentance. How is your man made Church better even though it lacks the promises of Christ. Jesus promised that his church the Catholic Church will never fall into apostasy, is incapable of teaching falsely and will endure until the Parousia. What promises do the heretical sects like yours have in the Bible? Does Matthew 7:21 mean nothing to you when it is clearly a warning to Protestants who refuse God’s will for their man-made counterfeit sects.

          33. Woody says:

            Don’t believe in the DR? No way this guy is a DR!

          34. No name nut case says:

            I don’t even know what you are referring to by “DR.”

          35. LarryMH47 says:

            Is that why the nuns forced me to kiss the feet of a crucifix as a child? The Roman Catholic Church HAS fallen into apostasy as well as sin (pedophilia). Proof enough that the RCC is NOT Christ’s Bride. Jesus did not want denominations. But the sin of the RCC forced the issue, CREATING denominations. Not that it matters; Jesus knows His Sheep, and they know Him. And wolves in sheep’s clothing will never get past the Gate of the sheepfold.

          36. Did you really think that a crucifix was Jesus? I always knew it as an artistic representation of Jesus and a reminder of His sacrifice even as a Protestant. Did you worship this piece of art? You cannot blame the Church but your own ignorance if you did. I see you mentioned pedophilia again…are you so ignorant that you do not know that of all ecclesiastical groups that the Catholic Church has the least incidence of this evil sin than any. The Church does not sin but individuals do. It is ignorant to judge the Church upon its sinners without considering our saints.
            Next time you go to your Protestant sects service look at your pastor for what he is and that is someone who is trying to steal the sheep from Christ and deceive people to be outside of God’s stated will. You left the undeniable truth for the confusion and evil of Protestantism.

          37. LarryMH47 says:

            I KNEW that the crucifix was NOT Jesus, but I also knew that being forced to kiss it was demanding me to perform an idolatrous act. And my argument is with a ‘Pope’ who covers the sins of the priests, moving them to fresh hunting grounds once they’ve been caught. Oh, and Baptists are not Protestants. We predate Catholicism, making YOU the offshoot.

          38. No name nut case says:

            That is correct. John the Baptist was prior to Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. John’s ministry was to the nation of Israel. I grew up in the Baptist church, but there were too many questions in my mind that Baptists’ couldn’t answer, neither could any of the other mainline denominations. I finally found a church “denomination” which could answer all of my questions and a lot that I hadn’t even thought of. Lol! If you are interested in information about it, contact me and I’d be happy to give you websites that teach. You will quickly see that it is not a cult, nor trying to relieve you of your money (unlike so many of them today), nor attempting to deceive you. They are bible teaching websites. They can answer unanswered questions.

          39. No name nut case says:

            I don’t even own a crucifix and wouldn’t if someone gave one to me! I don’t relish looking at an image of our Lord in agony on the cross. Belief in his death,burial and resurrection saves us, but I don’t relish looking at him in his misery before his death. His resurrection is His victory over death, and I’d much rather concentrate on that!

          40. How are you defining idolatry?

          41. No name nut case says:

            What I call idolatry is anyone who puts anything or anyone before the Lord Jesus Christ! Do you put the pope or your church dogma before the Lord? If so, you are an idolater. Worshiping anything or anyone or putting them above the Lord is IDOLATRY!

          42. Woody says:

            If it weren’t for the nuns I would be in prison today. All sin – 48% of Prot ministers have adulterous relations with their flock–(from their insurance company records)

          43. Nonsensical excuses for being disobedient to Jesus and His Church. The Church is a hospital for sinners and you are dying opposing God’s will.

          44. LarryMH47 says:

            I am NOT disobedient to Jesus or the True Church. But you and your RCC dogma are.

          45. Why call Jesus a liar to support your apostasy. Jesus called the Church the enduring “pillar and foundation of the truth”. A Christian would believe him and be obedient to His Church and not some man-made counterfeit.

          46. No name nut case says:

            See my note above Woody’s (above). I posted there what is required. It probably won’t be appreciated by many people, but what else is new. Lol!

          47. No name nut case says:

            The Catholics are not His church. Christ’s church is PEOPLE who are believers in Christ’s Death on the cross, Burial and Resurrection. Not a church organization nor denomination of any kind saves people. Not Catholic, not Baptist, not Presbyterian, not “Church of Christ” (the denomination), not Methodist, nor any other denomination. Christ’s church is the saved people who were or now may be in one of the “churches” (but don’t have to be). It is the believers in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ whom God saves. One is saved by simply believing that Christ died for our sins and resurrected for our justification.

          48. Revelation 17. There is a really big problem with your assumptions. The Vatican is not on any one of those seven hills but is, in fact to the West on the other side of the Tiber River on Vatican Hill. So, taking your assumption at face value Rome would be represented as a city of seven hills. If it was Rome then it would most likely be speaking of Pagan Rome than Christian Rome. But, It could also be Jerusalem from the description. Certainly the seven hills do not in any way refer to the Church. Then, of course, assuming that this is speaking of the Church then such a supposition makes Jesus into a liar who said that His Church would never fall into apostasy. Such a supposition says that the Church did indeed and the gates of hell did prevail against His Church. I assure you , it did not.

          49. No name nut case says:

            I don’t agree at all that Trump is a part of any collusion or anything else. So far he is working very hard to fulfill the promises he made to his voters! Trump is a self made and very rich man and I don’t believe for a minute that he is owned by anyone. Give me just one bit of proof that he is a Soros sell out! Soros can’t buy Trump. Trump has enough money, he doesn’t need anyone else’s! Also Trump is not Jewish (the religion), he is Christian (Presbyterian).

          50. Trump is a notorious bad businessman who has been bailed out of poor business decisions by George Soros. Politically Soros and trump go back in partnership in politics as well with Soros funneling money through Trump for Obama’s campaign. It was Trump that got Obama nominated for POTUS on the Democrat party when Trump was the kingmaker with the Democrat party.

            https://wearechange.org/george-soros-forgive-trump-312-million-debt/

            http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/05/02/jared-kushner-failed-report-1-billion-investment-goldman-sachs-soros-linked-startup/

            http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/02/report-jared-kushner-didnt-disclose-1-billion-loans-investment-ties-goldman-sachs-george-soros/

            http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071

          51. No name nut case says:

            Well, when we had the choice that was given to us, I went for the least of the two evils! Hillary Clinton was an absolute “NO!”

          52. https://wearechange.org/george-soros-forgive-trump-312-million-debt/

            http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/02/report-jared-kushner-didnt-disclose-1-billion-loans-investment-ties-goldman-sachs-george-soros/

            There is more but this is enough. Trump is not Christian as he has said that he is not in need of Christ’s atoning grace. This is a fundamental need of all Christians.

          53. No name nut case says:

            Trump is a Presbyterian. I don’t agree with a lot of what they teach, but they do teach honesty and being straight forward with people.

    4. AL ELLIS says:

      What is the saying, “those who don’t learn from history, are bound to repeat it,” how about that same religion wanting to kill Christians AGAIN. Sounds like the Pope has a short memory.

      1. No name nut case says:

        Are you kidding me?! The Pope couldn’t care less about any belief or religion other than Catholicism.

        1. Deert says:

          I would replace “Catholicism” with “Communism.” He is taking down Catholic dogma piece-by-piece.

          1. Woody says:

            “i shall be with you until the end of the ages.”

          2. J. Ernst says:

            You “people” are goyim for the chosen ones. Your WHORSHIP (deliberate misspelling) of DEATH is your foundation of your “faith”. Then you proclaim the “death of Christ” as your mantra.
            WHICH IS taking Christ’s name in vain.
            Katholick doctrine IS the goyim military “handbook” of the anti-Christ doctrine. Your masses are the epitome of the hideous perversion OF the anti-Christ movement…for over TWO THOUSAND YEARS!
            And you also CLAIM that YOUR church is founded by Christ. MAYBE IT WAS. It didn’t take but a decade or two to BE CO-OPTED by self-absorbed wanna-be’s.
            And ALL the perversions thereof including you rampant PEDOPHILIA, homosexuality, exclusion of women’s rights, (and I’m NOT talking about abortion rights either), hierarchy of “WHO IS MORE HOLY”; your uniformed murder of crows and “chosen goyim”.
            Then there’s your Sovereign Nation-State; the vatiKan; a centralized banking infrastructure plying ITS business of capturing the minds of the weak and absorbing them into your throngs of minons claiming that they were “Born with ORIGINAL SIN”…THE MOST wicked and demeaning of claims against what GOD CREATED!!!
            I bet you’re waiting for your NEXT CHARLEMAGNE!!!
            Instead of witnessing the Christ already present.

          3. No name nut case says:

            In which bible version was that quote? It sounds similar to the King James, but not exactly.

          4. J. Ernst says:

            This opinion coming from a “chosen one”. The very epitome of what “us better than them” emanates from!!!
            The very “thing” naziism, imperial Japan, Mao, PolPot, and evan the KKK was based upon; that there is a master race.
            You should be grateful they; Katholick’s, have been your goyim army for over TWO thousand years to date!!!
            Your very talmud IS THE epicenter of what communism is.
            Their very “faith in death” reflects your death march dogma and beliefs.
            I too will “Never Forget” ALL that “your people” have done to principalities, municipalities, and sovereign nation’s to date and in MY time on earth as an AMERICAN.
            The theft of TWO nukes from our USAF arsenal in ’47 & ’50, by the newly formed cia and mossad in ’47
            Your nations creation of their own ILLEGALLY PRODUCED nukes AND sold to; USSR, then China, S. Africa, India, Pakistan…
            The USS LIBERTY,
            The assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK, and attempts on Ford and Reagan…
            The assassination of Anwar Sadat…on national TEE VEE…just like JFK…a perfect false flag endeavor of which your people are professional at orchestrating.
            The funding of Hezbullshit-lah, muhajden, al quida, ISIS, ISIL, the collusion of the FBI melded WITH the cia/mossad connection, all partially funded by cai/mossad collusion to keep the wars AWAY from your homeland!!!
            The vatiKan, AIPAC and CAIRE may be “separate” entities but they all herald back to your talmud pal!!!
            NOPE…I will “never forget” either. To this DAY your brethren SOROS, Wasserman-Shultz, Bloomberg, Schumer are all part and parcel to the INTERNAL strife and continued devaluing of both my PERSONAL and NATIONAL sovereignty…DAILY…oh yeah, I forgot your Romm in Chi-Town, Feistein in CA…and on and on and on….but mostly from the “socialist states of NY, NJ, PA, IL, Vermont, Taxechusettes, MD, DE VA………….CA, NM, NV………

          5. Deert says:

            You are so right. I have done a complete 360 on the situation.

          6. Woody says:

            You misssed Mickey Mouse (and Minney)

          7. J. Ernst says:

            Disney AND Universal are right up YOUR alley in that now THEY TOO aspire to destroy America from within by “laying off” (actually terminating JOB TITLES) AMERICAN WORKERS by the thousands to “employ” guest workers to take their place!!! YOUR OPEN BORDER policy; that we are all one, is destroying the livelihoods of AMERICAN FAMILIES in Central Florida!!! So joke all you want universalist Katholick’s…you are GOYIM and KAFIR!!! When the shit hits the fan, you and your ilk, should NOT expect your fellow ameriKan to “protect” YOU because they are just as weak-minded minion’s as YOU ARE!!! …I’m sure I won’t!

        2. edcedar77 says:

          Put John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Obama, and the pope in a bag, shake them up, then dump them out and they will all look the same. Wacko’s devoid of common sense.

    5. Doris Will says:

      I’ve seen a photo of the wall on Mexico’s southern border, why doesn’t any one talk about that. Does the Pope know about that? Does anybody?

      1. Ginger Aldrich says:

        They say there isn’t one … not sure who’s right
        Wonder why no one says that huh

          1. johnwlooper says:

            I’d not take the veracity of that source to heart!

          2. Doris Will says:

            I did find the photo that led me to the belief it was southern Mexican border. It is in Israel. I just googled Mexico southern border wall

      2. lin says:

        You’re right and we taxpayers provided over two billion dollars for it.

        1. Doris Will says:

          I didn’t know the USA paid for any part of it, probably all of it! $2 BILLION!
          We seem to be the punching bag for the world.

          1. Roger says:

            Did you just figure that out?

            We the people especially those that voted for President Trump must give him our support, we must write/email/call our representatives and senators and we must let them know in no uncertain terms that they are employed by the American people, they are paid by the American people and that we did not give them their jobs to oppose everything President Trump does! It is time to support the President in making America safer, stronger, more prosperous and greater than ever before!

          2. Doris Will says:

            Yes, that’s right, was a Democrat in office when we paid for it? If it was a Republican, the Libs would still be yelling about it. Actually, Roger, I started to support Donald Trump when he declared his candidacy. I called the RNC, and told them the way they were treating Trump was disgusting, that the RNC didn’t recognize a winner when they saw one. I told every caller for donations to RNC that I would not give them a dime if they didn’t support Trump. I wrote to McCain and Romney, and told them that they were responsible for 8 years of Obama, and they should shut up and move aside and let a winner lead the way. I became 76 today, so you better start rounding up more young people the way Nixon did the first year he won. Yes I voted for him, and still think he was a great President. Big Deal Watergate. NOBODY got killed!

          3. johnwlooper says:

            And the Republicans did nothing the Dems had not already done.

          4. Doris Will says:

            Thanks for having your comments on your home page so much easier than looking for it in discussion. Actually I don’t see where the dems did anything either, but the Article did say Mexico was working on improving their southern border. However the drug cartels are north of the Mexican southern border. That makes the trip into Mexico very dangerous from the south.

          5. We conservative Republicans need to concentrate on replacing Trump with a conservative and a Republican to have change from the political left represented by Trump. We need to stop the insanity by not continuing to elect one leftist liberal after another as POTUS. The electorate is insane by continuing to elect liberals as POTUS expecting a different result.

          6. Doris Will says:

            What part of OZ are you in? Donald Trump is no Liberal, He is a Conservative Capitalist. You may remember a couple of guys, McCain and Romney, now they leaned left and they LOST. If you get back to Kansas, you’ll have clearer picture of who is what.

          7. His entire history is of being a far left liberal Democrat ideologue. What makes you think that he has changed his ideology? Trump is on the far left New York liberal and has been his entire life. He just recently changed to the Republican party and shares no conservative or Republican values. Trump is the most leftist POTUS in my lifetime. You have allowed yourself to be woefully deceived because of celebrity envy.

          8. When did he change? He has been a lifetime far left liberal his entire life. It was because of Trump with his money and influence that we suffered under Obama. Did you just wake up from a very long sleep? Your confusion is noted.

          9. Doris Will says:

            I don’t care if Donald Trump was a Democrat. I don’t see how he is the cause of Obama getting elected. George Soros money did that. I remember Old George saying to a pretty angry crowd. That if Obama is not the right man, we’ll find someone else to run to get the JOB done. George Soros is very big on this new world order crap, a socialist. Obama was raised to be a communist, but he also wants the New World Order. Right now DONALD TRUMP IS A NON RINO REPUBLICAN CAPITALIST. We ran RINOs in 2008 and 2012. and we LOST TWICE! Please keep repeating obama is not president now! May you can find some happiness and get a life.

          10. Trump was the cause of Obama getting elected when Trump was the kingmaker in the Republican party. Trump got Obama nominated and bragged about him being a “great President” to anyone who would listen. Conservatives disagree with Trump’s conclusion.
            Trump also was the coordinator of Obama’s funding and indeed much of that funding came from Trump’s friend George Soros funneled through Trump. Some of the money was from Trump.
            In Trump’s own run for the Presidency he received over a (((billion))) dollars from Soros for his election. Some indications are that it was closer to 2 billion dollars. Compare that to the 8 million given to the Clinton campaign by Soros. Soros was very clever how he gave money to Trump. A little over a billion of those dollars were funneled through Jarred Kushner. Only about 400 million came directly to Trump through loan forgiveness in Chicago. As a result, Trump is just a puppet POTUS with Soros pulling his strings. Don’t believe me but look at the quid pro quo with almost all of Trump’s cabinet being former Soros executives. It appears that even Soros does not trust Trump.

          11. Woody says:

            Trump was elected with 18,000,131 Rosaries in a 54 Day Rosary prayer (Aug 15th – Our Lady’s Feast) – (Oct 7th – Our Lady’s Feast)
            requested by Cardinal Burke on Aug 13th, and the newsies heads are still spinning, Thank you, Mom

          12. I always thought of Burke as a conservative and I find it very odd that he supported a leftist atheist. Perhaps he thought that Trump was the lesser of two evils But, for me, his being an atheist and a lifetime liberal Democrat was enough for me not to give any support to Trump.

          13. There will be a lot of unborn blood on Burke’s hands. Pope Francis made all the conservative Bishops retire like my own Cardinal Archbishop Luis Tagle and left us with these apparent leftists like Burke. I always thought of Burke as a conservative and pro-life. Evidently, I was duped.

          14. Doris Will says:

            Interesting: I read that Soros put $23Million into Clinton’s Campaign. You did say that these men were FORMER Soros Executives. McCain must be green with envy, Soros only gave him $1,500. With that said, I don’t care how you feel about Trump. He was the best Republican Candidate I have seen in years not to mention he beat all others in the primary election.

          15. Actually, it was 8 million that Soros gave to Hillary compared to at least 1.3 billion given to Donald Trump.
            Trump is a lifetime far left liberal Democrat and had no history of being a Republican until just before the election. He was a Democrat candidate running as a Republican.

          16. daledor says:

            I would like to see where you come up with Soros giving Trump 1.3 billion. I WOULD like to see that from CREDIBLE media not FAKE NEWS, a very appropriate name for the New WOrld Order globalist banker controlled MEDIA.

            Yes, in the past Trump was favoring the Demoncats and perhaps their buddies RINO’s. FAR FAR LEFT he has NEVER been. However he changed. Just because he had many business associates on all sides does not mean he favored any if it was BAD BUSINESS. Trump made his money MUCH MUCH more ethically than Soros, Ross Perot, and many other super rich.

            Do I call him a Republican? No! Do I call him a Demoncat – definitely not.

            The liberal media always like to use wide brushes to define people far left as good and anyone not so far left as evil/hatemongers/deceivers/right wing extremists/ homophobes/ etc. I hate to tell you this but you need to know along with far too many Americans — PEOPLE ARE ANALOG NOT DIGITAL. Digital is far left or far right. Analog means a person can be on any one item/thought/or subject ANYWHERE between the two or at one extreme.

            Labeling Trump by his past when his present SHOWS he is not the same in SOME areas is unjust. Did you favor Hillary or Obama or hate them. I looked for good in both and very little I found. Words and actions seldom aligned unless based on communist/socialist beliefs or greed and lust for power.

            Trump DOES TRY TO DO what he said/says he would do. The last president that did that so eloquently was Reagan. Though put into power by Rockefeller, aided by VP Bush Sr, aided by Kissinger —— all New World Order pushers and shovers —– Reagan turned on them and really tried to be a good president. The first term he was very influential and defiant of the NWO BECAUSE he appointed most of his staff. The second term Bush and Kissinger replaced Reagan’s staff with their NWO CFR staff. Still he was influential because of his character and his words, despite being neck deep in the SWAMP/NWO agents.

            Reagan took a bullet right off and joked about it when it did not kill him, a fraction of an inch from death protected by God. He said, “missed me”. LOL! Trump reminds me of Reagan – out to make America great. Reagan had a Democrat house all during his presidency and for 6 of 8 years a Democrat Senate —the Dems were not Demoncats like now and make no mistake there was partisanship matters by parties – HOWEVER Reagan approached the American people and they got the Dems to do right or else not get votes. Then the Repubs were not so anemic and there were few RINO transplants in it. The media was much more in control but Reagan challenged even the media. He could show how stupid they were and get them to laugh at themselves as Ameircans did when they were so whacko, as Reagan pointed out. TODAY you will find few in the controlled media that will say anything positive about Reagan. He was wonderful.

            Trump is truly in the swamp, even more than Reagan, yet he is trying to do what is right and deserves honor for that. SO FEW in DC ever do what they say unless what they say ultimately either empowers them and/or the NWO money controllers.

          17. The amount of donation to Clinton was 8 million by Soros. It was well over a billion dollars to Trump and could be closer to two billion counting the money funneled through Jared Kushner to Trump. We know it was more than a billion but the full amount is not known going to Trump. I cannot imagine a worse candidate than this lifetime far left liberal ideologue Trump.

          18. Woody says:

            Thanks CNN!

          19. It was actually 8 million compared to between 1 to 2 billion given to the Trump’s campaign directly or through Jared Kushner who tried to keep it hidden.. Look also at the quid pro quo in the fact that almost all of Trump’s cabinet are former Soros executives.

          20. daledor says:

            Notice the word ‘was’ – you assume that God can not change a person. If he is not changed the charade is convincing. I sincerely doubt that he is the same person as he was years ago to put up a charade at his age. We will see, convincing that he is real right now — the FIRST PRESIDENT in many years that keeps his word. Don’t ignore that and don’t assume he is evil. Satan’s evil is to do good with a twist to trap people. Satan’s words can be convincing emulating truth but always with subtle lies and deceptions. I will not stop any good being done by assumptions. Good works without catches is good (like the Dem’s helping people to consolidate their elections and then once elected treat them as dirt). All people need to be viewed not with an evil eye that looks for trouble but realistically looking for what is good but not ignoring the evil, giving opportunity for change.

          21. daledor says:

            Doris you think for yourself and are not a sheep thinking it is cool whiled following a lead sheep over the edge of the cliff – thinking all is well.

            I pursue truth convenient or not, truth. So many today think they are cool but act so foolish. Why? They were trained how great they were, how they only needed to follow the herd, fed propaganda all their lives, and would not know truth if it stood on their shoulders.

            I like making friends but not at the expense of truth. Some think I am mean and a hate monger because they look in a mirror and call those who merely disagree on something or follow the agenda that they follow hateful things.

            For those who think they are so cool and no one can teach them anything except what they want to believe and have been programmed to believe — those who think themselves so independent yet herd together with those of their mindset to attack others — an old song — “conform, conform, I really must conform. I don’t know what it would be like to do things on my own.” I conform with those on the side of truth and refuse to believe a lie to ‘go along and get along.” If God shows me a truth and the whole world disagreed, sorry, I will believe truth rather than a lie/deception. I will be SLAVE to no one. I desire to challenge others to not be slaves also. God can set a person free – indeed!!!!

          22. Doris Will says:

            Dear Dale, I always remember Ronald Reagan saying: I never left the democrat party, they left me, He ran and was elected as a Republican, and he followed a Republican Agenda. Donald Trump is doing the same. An old adage: If you are 21 and not a democrat = You have no heart. If you are 40 and not a Republican = You have no brains.

          23. Nonsense! Trump has no history of conservatism. His lifetime history is of being a far left liberal Democrat. It is Trump that gave us Obama with his money and influence in the Democrat party. Did no one research Trump’s history other than l?

          24. Arielle says:

            Trump did NOT give us Obama. That “Honor” has to go to George Soros.

          25. Woody says:

            You are arguing with an uneducated man!

          26. No name nut case says:

            How in the world can you say that Trump needs replacing?! He is doing EXACTLY what he told us voters that he would do!! I couldn’t ask for a better president than one who does what he says he will do! I suppose you had rather have one of the Republicans who were every bit as bad as the Democrats and neither of them EVER did what they said they would do!!! Heaven only knows what those people did when they were in office, because they certainly didn’t get as much done in a year as Trump has done in just a couple of months! What the heck do you want? Someone who lies to your face? That is what we were getting with every president prior to Trump. I guess I just don’t understand some people’s way of thinking. Trump is honest to a fault. He won’t lie. It is against his faith to do so. I highly respect him over and above any president since the 1800’s! Are you afraid of him for some personal reason?

          27. In my lifetime I have never seen a greater liar in the White House than Trump.

          28. edcedar77 says:

            How about, “When we got out of the white house, we were stone broke”, , Took 200K in china and valuables that had to be returned. Who said that during the 9/ll attack Chelsea was jogging around the trade center. “When we landed in Kosovo we were under attack by sniper fire”. News media showed her and her entourage being met with flowers”. There seems to be lots of other untruths having to do with the e-mails and Benghazi. Hillary lost the election to Donald Trump and no unfounded charges is going to changes against Trump is going to change that.

          29. Yes indeed, Trump’s close friends the Clinton’s are liars as well.

          30. daledor says:

            Close friends? He was being cordial and business like. He really has been too soft ball on them but ‘things are a changin’ with their actions. They definitely are not friends now.

            Friends like the Bush’s and Clinton’s and Obama — a planned Hegellian Dialectic out to deceive and control Americans. The Bush’s as despicable as especially Bush Sr’s Dad George Harriman Bush (pushing NAZI agenda) still have more character than the Clinton’s and Obama -Hillary worse than Obama.

            Hey, we could all be played as the other presidents, minus Reagan, have played us by Trump. But, I REALLY doubt it. Never have I seen a president so opposed and lied about and slandered with efforts to be impeached only 6 months in office, half of that fighting Congress to get his staff in place and oust some of the Obama/Hillary/NWO loyal plants. He SHOULD HAVE FIRED THEM ALL SOONER and made it clearer how Congress was in the way of him staffing up – so clear on TV and media that even the controlled media would have been FORCED to air him and be made aware.

            Another reason, big reason, I am pro Trump, like with any president eyes open, is I am a Christian and he has acted for Christianity, unlike terrorist Obama leaving Christians who wanted to come to America in danger of death by ISIS while importing UNVETTED and unjustified Muslims – many being found to be terrorists or Taquiyya liars and deceivers out to destroy American from within to promote takeover by Islam (Taquiyya is Koran approved to spread Islam). THE BIGGEST REASONS – prophecies about Trump and even Bible Code reveal that God would put him into office and he would be a terror to the globalist agenda..

          31. The Clinton’s were the guests of honor at Trump’s last wedding and will be at his next wedding.

          32. daledor says:

            Question is are they still ‘friends’. Hey, I try to be friends even with an enemy – their choice how they respond. As a business person I am sure that deals are not always made with honorable people. No excuse, for me I will be friendly and cordial but will not trust unless such is merited.

            As a Christian I extend a lot of grace and mercy to others but if a person is a viper I will avoid the snake and if struck at I will defend myself. The Bible admonishes us to love our enemies and do good to those who despitefully use us. Not always easy and sometimes impossible unless one recognizes that he/she is a sinner saved by God’s grace and mercy and offers such to others out of the reverence to God and acknowledging what God did for them..

            Natural worldly actions are not what a Christian should follow. I won’t be a rug for anyone but only only only fight if necessary.

          33. edcedar77 says:

            Unable to correct last sentence above.

          34. justanagent says:

            Well lets check the record. Bill Clinton “I did not have sex with that woman” I guess oral sex doesn’t count. He then went on to lie to a federal grand jury. Barack Obama: “If you like your health care plan you can keep it. If you like your doctor you can keep him.” Both of them have a long list provable lies.

          35. Kol says:

            You sound like a raving lunatic! LOL! Typical right wing extremism — it’s getting totally ridiculous!! But all anyone can do is laugh at it anymore.

          36. justanagent says:

            Your response is typical of a left wing extremist who is forced to confront facts which do not comport with the narrative he wishes to promote. In my experience when liberals are unable to support their contentions with facts and reason they resort to sarcasm, personal invective and irrelevant emotional diatribes. It reflects a lack of intellectual honesty and objectivity which makes it impossible to have a well reasoned civilized debate. If the quotations I cited were not accurate then put aside the silly sarcasm and feel free to correct me. One more thing; the Obama presidency was a bitter pill for conservatives to swallow but they did not riot, burn, behead him in effigy, physically assault those who voted for him or refuse to allow those who supported him to speak on college campuses. Following the election of Trump we saw who the real extremists and raving lunatics were….left wing radicals. It also became apparent that while perhaps Trump was a flawed candidate the alternative was totally unacceptable and unfit for the office as evidenced by the fact that when she lost she sent out a surrogate to address her supporters while she threw a violent temper tantrum with her inner circle instead of having the grace and courage to face the nation and give a concession speech. That spoke volumes.

          37. Kol says:

            Derp.

          38. justanagent says:

            Thank you. Whatever that means I’m reasonably sure it confirms everything I just posted.

          39. Kol says:

            derp
            dərp/
            informal
            exclamation
            exclamation: derp; exclamation: herp derp
            1.
            used as a substitute for speech regarded as meaningless or stupid, or to comment on a foolish or stupid action.
            “Lower tax rates and far lower job creation. Derp”
            noun
            noun: derp
            1.
            foolishness or stupidity.
            “the derp heard outside apparently was only the tip of the iceberg”
            Origin

          40. justanagent says:

            Keep on posting. When you are through making a dolt of yourself please address the accuracy of the quotes I cited.
            Dolt:
            A mental retard who is clueless not only about current events, but also has the IQ level of a rock. “Dolt” may be the most sophisticated insult in the English language. Dolts commonly populate such stereotypes as jocks, nerds, fruits, bookworms, and dorks.

          41. Kol says:

            Your SNOT is too green and slimy to make a response worth the effort. I won’t waste my time.

          42. justanagent says:

            That is probably best thing for you to do because, to borrow a quote from G. Gordon Liddy, “In a battle of wits with me, you sir are unarmed.”

          43. Kol says:

            In a battle of wits with you, you are only a half-wit!

          44. justanagent says:

            I’m going to cease responding at this point because it’s a totally unfair contest and a waste of time. If you had an intelligent and reasonable response pertaining to the accuracy of the quotes I cited you would have posted it. The reason this contest is unfair is that, while I am not a college graduate, over the course of a 40+ year career I have spent an enormous amount of time giving live testimony at trials (criminal and civil), hearings and depositions. I have been questioned and cross examined by a multitude of excellent attorneys. If I mentioned their names you would likely recognize some of them. After the verbal jousting was over and the issue resolved we would often have lunch together (usually their treat) and discuss what had just happened in the courtroom. Despite what most people think, the majority of attorneys are not bad people and even though the courtroom theatrics may have become pretty animated it was almost always purely professional and there was a mutual understanding that each of us was just doing his job. My point is just this. Iron sharpens iron. I can take either side of almost any issue in a debate and make a case for it even if I don’t really believe it. I can do that even when I know I’m wrong. When I know I’m right I’m virtually unbeatable. This is not meant to be braggadocious. It took many years, much training and much learning from my mistakes for my skills to reach this level and I will probably never need to employ them again. What I’m trying to tell you is that you are playing way out of your league and for that reason I am terminating this discussion. Have a good day.

          45. Kol says:

            Good riddance, the bad rubbish will finally go away and be gone. Do svidaniya! Don’t let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!

          46. justanagent says:

            Not to dignify your comment with a response but I have to ask. Are you Russian? That might explain a thing or two.

          47. Kol says:

            I am U.S.-born AMERICAN. I have extended family in Russia who are very fine people. I have lived there at times to be close to certain ones. Are you an outmoded cold-war mentality bigot? That would explain a great deal re: your insinuated insult and trying to be a SNOT.

          48. justanagent says:

            Good people can be found all over the world as I learned from my military service. Just don’t try to impress me with your knowledge of foreign languages. I grew up speaking English and Spanish. My military duties required me to acquire a working knowledge of Russian, Farsi and Arabic. Again your rhetoric betrays your ignorance and bias. I’m done.

          49. Kol says:

            yaaawwwwwwwnnnnn…. zzzzzs

          50. Woody says:

            Mea culpa, Mea culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa!

          51. He certainly is which will explain his leftist delight in the Trump Presidency. God easy on him as he is woefully logically challenged and uninformed.

          52. Kol says:

            You an idiot. Laughable, but still an idiot!
            LOL!

          53. justanagent says:

            I thought he had run out of logical responses and gone away. I did not mean to suggest that his ethnic origin or having family in Russia made him a dangerous subversive or even a bad person. He paints a pretty clear picture of his character by the sarcasm and insults he posts, which is why I am no longer responding to him. What I was suggesting is that upbringing and family history has probably influenced his political views and perspective pushing him somewhat left of center. I might still read his posts for entertainment value but not to be taken seriously or responded to.

          54. Kol says:

            Well, it means your comment was foolish and stupid. So, yeah, It confirms it quite well. LOL!

          55. Arielle says:

            You just said a “mouthful” and it is all true !

          56. edcedar77 says:

            Great statement

          57. Arielle says:

            Apparently you were one of the people who thought that Hillary was actually truthful !

          58. Nonsense! How did you come to such a conclusion. I do not care about Hillary as she is irrelevant. I do not care about any leftists including Trump.

          59. Kol says:

            Don’t seem to care too much about REALITY either. LOL!

          60. Woody says:

            Then you kept your doctor and your premiums went down $2500, and this is no longer a Christian nation, and I was born in Hawaii, and the famous “wart” tour of the U.S. is the worst nation in the world…yatta, yatta, and he is doing exactly as he pledged…you are just suffering from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) like the others.

          61. edcedar77 says:

            Sure don’t agree with you on this comment Doris.

          62. Doris Will says:

            I didn’t comment on it

          63. Republicans need to consider that the strength of the party resides in conservatism and not in liberalism represented by the lifetime leftist Trump. The party needs to get back to our roots where a leftist like Trump would never be considered for POTUS by Republicans.

          64. Doris Will says:

            Ed, That was not my reply to you cristoiglesia sent that to me, I have no idea why. But anyway I do agree with you about Sanders, In retrospect we should award Debbie Wasserman Schultz the Citizen of the year award.

          65. edcedar77 says:

            Best wishes on your 76 birthday Doris. The whole Water Gate deal was a witch hunt. I am soon to be 81 and I remember it quiet well. Same object in the Russian collusion Bring down a president any way you can. Hopefully they will find nothing to latch onto and will be made to look like the anarchist they really are.

          66. Doris Will says:

            Thank you for your good wishes Ed. Hope you have a great 81st. It was nice when we had elections that didn’t cost these great sums of money, campaigns that didn’t last for two years, the winners celebrated, and the losers, licked our wounds, went to bed and got up in the morning to go to work.

          67. edcedar77 says:

            Well said Doris and I agree 100%

          68. Doris Will says:

            Thanks Ed. Did you see Bernie Saunders remarks about Christians not being allowed to run for president?

          69. edcedar77 says:

            Doris – I did not but have no use for this old socialist. He needs to go to Cuba, Denmark and most certainly Venezuela to see how his splendid idea of government is working.

          70. Kol says:

            Actually, socialism often works quite well. I am American, but have extended family in Russia and have spent lots of time there with certain ones I am close to. With their socialist democracy form of government, EVERY Russian citizen is provided with very good government-sponsored healthcare. Unlike our U.S.A., they do not have millions of people who can’t afford adequate healthcare or have no healthcare available to them at all. And EVERY high school graduate there is entitled to a tuition-paid-for university/college education. As a result, the average Russian you meet on the street is a lot better educated than our “average” American. And these things are pretty much true of all but one of the G28 nations. The U.S. is the only one that does not do as well for its citizens!!

          71. Kol says:

            What about Canada? Canada is socialist. Seems to work bery well. They have a much better healthcare system than the U.S.!

          72. Kol says:

            His last name is Sanders, not Saunders.

          73. SD of AZ says:

            Been doing just that but then McCain and Flakey are the worst senators we could have in AZ. I voted Ward but McCain had to have cheated. I think the Chamber of Commerce fixed the whole thing. No one I know has admitted voting for him in the Primary.

          74. This leftist POTUS Trump must be opposed by real conservatives. It is the conservatives and not the leftists like Trump that can turn this country around. Like all leftists Trump is full of promises but intent on getting Americans dependent on government so that they can continue to get elected.

          75. No name nut case says:

            You, my friend, are the far left. When one objects to the President doing exactly what the ones who voted for him wanted him to do, there is a real problem there and it isn’t with the President!! If I were you I’d go and try to get my priorities straightened out! You aren’t the least bit interested in the people of this country getting what they said plainly that they expected out of the President! You have your tail in a knot because the winner didn’t have the stamp of approval from the Republican National committee! Well, let me tell you this. I have been a MEMBER of the Republican party since I submitted my very first vote! I can tell you that I am FED UP with the BULL s— they have been slinging! They tell us one thing and do the exact opposite!! THAT is why PRESIDENT Trump is in the White House right this minute! And the White House is a major step down in accommodations for him and his family! PRESIDENT TRUMP will carry out what he has promised us that he will do! He has ALREADY done a lot of it, and has a lot more in the works! He is a man of his word. Maybe that is what you don’t like about him. Maybe you’d rather have a man or woman who is lying if their mouth is moving???!! That is what we have always had in our politics and in the White House prior to President Trump!! If you can’t handle someone who will look you in the eye and tell you the truth, you need to get your blanket and pacifier and find a place to hide!!

          76. Enjoy your leftist America. Trump is much more likely to lie to your face.

          77. Well, what I get from your post is that you own this leftist Trump. I am sure that you can understand that as a conservative Republican I do not share your adoration of this leftist Trump. In my lifetime Trump is the greatest liar I have ever seen run for political office.

          78. edcedar77 says:

            You apparently have not taken a good look at Hillary and Obama. What are some of Trumps lies that you must have at your finger tips this very moment.

          79. How about his promise to nominate a conservative to SCOTUS. Instead he got confirmed a far left liberal judge who is pro-abortion,for the redefining of marriage to include homosexual unions. He attends a far left activist church that confirms same sex relationships and is pro-abortion. Trump’s nominee is the most leftist judge to be on the court in my lifetime thanks to Donald Trump breaking his promise to Conservatives.

          80. The most egregious lie to me was his promise to nominate and confirm a conservative to SCOTUS. Instead, he nominates the most far left liberal to serve on the court in my lifetime. Our hopes of a conservative court has been betrayed by Trump’s broken promise.
            Gorsuch is pro-abortion, he is for the redefining of marriage to include same sex couples and he associates only with far left liberals in his activist Church that confirms same-sex unions.

          81. No name nut case says:

            Neal Gorsuch is a RIGHT! NOT a left! You my friend are full of crap and don’t have a clue what you are talking about! Either tell the truth of get off of this discussion board! Move along little boy..

          82. Thank God they are gone and irrelevant to the discussion.

          83. No President in my lifetime has been as great a liar as Trump regardless of Party. But I have much less faith in lifetime far left lifetime liberal Democrats like Trump than anyone. The truth is far from Trump.

          84. Woody says:

            Short memory: “you can keep your doctor” “you can keep your doctor” “you can keep your doctor” “you can keep your doctor””you can keep your doctor”

            “Your premiums will drop $2500.””Your premiums will drop $2500.””Your premiums will drop $2500.””Your premiums will drop $2500.””Your premiums will drop $2500.””Your premiums will drop $2500.”

            “The United States is no longer a Cristian Nation.” “The United States is no longer a Cristian Nation.” “The United States is no longer a Cristian Nation.””The United States is no longer a Cristian Nation.””The United States is no longer a Cristian Nation.””The United States is no longer a Cristian Nation.”

            “I was born in Hawaii.” ( Grandma and brother-“No he was not”.
            “I was born in Hawaii.” ( Grandma and brother-“No he was”I was born in Hawaii.” ( Grandma and brother-“No he was not”. not”.”I was born in Hawaii.” ( Grandma and brother-“No he was not”.

          85. I am inclined to suggest that you stop loving in the past. Obama is irrelevant. He does not hold any political office, thank God. We now have elected another leftist like Obama and we must focus on the current lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologue Trump. The electorate is insane…we keep electing far left liberal Democrat’s to POTUS. The American voters need to stop electing these leftists to office. This defines insanity.

          86. No name nut case says:

            If Trump is left, then give me left! He is doing what I, as a Republican wanted to be done. I have absolutely no complaints so far! I don’t care if he calls himself a kindergarten teacher, he is doing what I expected him to do! If Trump is anything it is someone who does what he says he will do! He has always been that way. He has always told the truth even if it isn’t very complimentary to himself or others. I admire a person who has the intestinal fortitude to do that. No other president in my lifetime has ever done that, and they have ALL been liars, womanizers and manipulators! The Bush’s are all democrats and proclaimed themselves to be Republicans! Do you recall that? Maybe you aren’t old enough, but if you check out the facts you will find that all of the Bushes were democrats until George H.W. changed in order to run as Reagan’s vice pres! As far as “Far left” goes, you must not be old enough to recall the left democrats. Take a look at Franklin Roosevelt! THAT was far left, but he was waaaayyyy far to the right of the current Democrat party members, like Hillary and Chuck Shumer!

          87. It is Typical of leftist liars like Obama, Hillary and Trump to lie unashamedly.

          88. Are you not aware tht Obama does not hold any government office. Are you aware that within American politics that makes Obama irrelevant. Trump is our current leftist POTUS in a long line of such leftist ideologues to hold the office. It is time that America elect another conservative to POTUS instead of these lifetime far left liberal ideologues like Trump.

      3. edcedar77 says:

        The objective is to attack at any spot that looks weak and ignore any mitigating circumstances. Bring him down anyway you can is the name of the game by liberals.

    6. CharlyO says:

      Well said and true. Its amazing how soon they forget!

  3. mary says:

    If the pope is against a wall then why is there one around the the Vatican? Wasn’t it to protect themselves against dangerous people? Why doesn’t he have it removed?

    1. hardhardedhanna says:

      you are right mary. let the pope move the vatican down around the mexican border so they can bring peace to all . sorry but the pope is a big joke as is the vatican. they want their protection for sure but not any other americans to be protected. who do they think they are fooling? i worship jesus christ, not this pope or any other organization who sets themselves up to be God. phonies

      1. Brad Fisher says:

        Agree 100%

      2. Town Crier says:

        I read somewhere that the current, (he is also the last), Pope is in league with the devil, not God, and from his actions, I am afraid that I must suspect this is the truth. There have been too many things that he has done which lead me in that direction. Remember, Satan has ALMOST as much power as Jesus, and can make things appear that are not true.
        I spent some years as a Catholic – Now I am Episcopalian. ‘Nuff said.

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        1. David Bauscher says:

          Jesus is God Almighty. Read John 1:1-5 and Hebrews 1:1-5. Satan is one of his creatures whom he made. Where did you get the idea that Satan has almost as much power as Jesus? “All power is given unto me in Heaven and in earth”, Jesus said. Mat. 28:19 Satan has only what Jesus gives him, and I don’t believe he hasn’t given Satan almost half of it.

          1. PurpleLady 63 says:

            Lucifer was a beautiful angel that due to pride, wanted to take Gods throne to set himself above the Almighty. Satan [in Hebrew means adversary]. God made Lucifer he called him Satan after his rebellion; and he and his followers will make their final eternity in the lake of fire Revelation 20:10. Isaiah 14:12-16 shows you what Lucifer did to get thrown out of Heaven, Jesus in Luke 10:18 tells us He saw Satan fall from heaven. Also see Revelation 12:9. No part of the Old or New Testament talks about any pope or his powers because it is not there.

          2. David Bauscher says:

            No Angel, fallen or holy, is almost equal to God or Jesus in power. God is Almighty- infinite in power, wisdom and righteousness, omnipresent and eternal, without beginning, without end. Satan is no more than a flea by comparison to God and Christ and The Spirit of Holiness. He certainly is not infinite, therefore he is infinitely inferior to God, as is every creature.

          3. sandraleesmith46 says:

            He has power enough to deceive the world, and even the elect, if possible; or did you miss that warning from Jesus? Too many who believe themselves saved are actually deceived. No his power isn’t infinite, but Jesus didn’t denigrate it; so it’s clearly considerable.

          4. David Bauscher says:

            Nothing is considerable when compared to the infinite.

          5. Mary Jackson says:

            Maybe you should read the bible a little more closely.

          6. shamu9 says:

            Lucifer means Light Bearer, or Lighted One! He was re-named Satan, after he rebelled against God!

          7. PurpleLady 63 says:

            yes that is correct

          8. Kiam Larsen says:

            No Satan was suppose to be an angel of the god. with the “Powers” that angels have. He was a “fallen” angel.

          9. David Bauscher says:

            Jesus is The Lord of all the Angels, whom all Angels are commanded to worship, as he is LORD GOD of all creation, all creatures in Heaven and Earth and under the Earth: “And This One is altogether greater than the Angels, according to how much more excellent than theirs is The Name which he possesses. 5 For to which one of the Angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you”, and again, “I shall be to him The Father and he shall be to me the Son.”? 6 Again, when he brings The Firstborn into the universe, he says, “All the Angels of God shall worship him.” 7 But he spoke in this way about the Angels: “He makes his Angels the wind and his Ministers the burning fire.” 8 But concerning The Son, he said, “Your throne, oh God, is to the eternity of eternities. A straight scepter is the scepter of your Kingdom.”- Hebrews 1:4-8

          10. shamu9 says:

            Satan was an Angel. He Rebelled against God, the Father. He took a lot of angels with him! The Fallen Angels! The Nuns beat these facts into us in the 3rd.-4th. grades!

          11. COMPU-TRON says:

            Too bad they didn’t beat you to death and save us all a headache, Bozo.

          12. Woody says:

            Yes, 1/3 of all the angels – isn’t that sad.

          13. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Satan was never stripped of his archangel powers; which are considerable; and if you read Revelation, some of them are clearly revealed there. The thing is that Jesus is Yhwh God and has ALL His powers, which supersede any and all powers Satan has.

        2. If you reject the only Church founded by Jesus with His promises then you have fallen into heresy. Trust Jesus who said that His Church would endure for all times and never fall into apostasy. But you have by rejecting His Church and His will.

          1. LarryMH47 says:

            The RCC was not founded by Jesus. It was founded some 300 years later, then fudged the Papal line by including historic Roman bishops. The Bride of Christ consists of INDIVIDUALS from many Christian Churches.

          2. Nonsense! I am a former Protestant who converted to the Catholic Church because of what Jesus said. Jesus said, “Let them be one as you and I are one” when praying to his Father.” Prior to my conversion I was Protestant and Moravian minister. To not be Catholic is obviously to be outside of God’s will.
            I am a professor of early Church history, Patristics, Latin and Old Testament studies. I am now a Catholic priest.
            Jesus did indeed found the Catholic Church and no other. He prayed to His Father that we be one within His Church and not any of the man-made counterfeits. He said his Church would endure for all times meaning to when he comes again to judge all.

            You simply do not know of what you are claiming.

          3. LarryMH47 says:

            The Bride of Christ is indeed one. It is NOT a denomination; all Christian churches CONTAIN individuals who are members of the Bride. God’s Will is about unifying us, not dividing us into factions such as the RCC.

          4. But, Jesus prayed that we all be one in His Church. So, if you are a follower of Christ how can you justify embracing apostasy and being disobedient to Christ’s will.

          5. No name nut case says:

            It’s pretty easy to lead people astray, especially if they don’t read their bibles and they instead rely on men to tell them what to believe!

          6. fred schramm says:

            You have been deceived. The catholic church is founded on pagan traditions . Do you think its a coincidence that their holy days follow pagan days, all hallows eve follows by all saints day…mardi gras followed by lent ,,,Celebrating Jesus birthday during the winter solstice . The pagan goddess Ishtar turns into Easter the catholic is not the cross of Jesus but stands for Tamuz the son of Simeranus whose father was Nimrod the sun god. The monstrance that holds the host honors the sun god .And during Lent the mourning is for the death of Tamuz. You worship the pagan goddess THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN, The bishops miter is in a the shape of a fishes head in honor of Dagon the fish god. The priest has no power to forgive sins, your baptism is incorrect sacraments have no saving powers, there is no purgatory, you have no power to change the bread into the body of Christ. You cannot pay indulgences for your sin . Your sacrifice of the mass is a slap in the face to God and Jesus . He only had to die once why does the catholic church sacrifice Him many times over and over,day after day. Hebrews says the priest stand daily ministering sacrifices that can never take away sins……and He sat down because no other sacrifice is needed. Look up the catholic cannon lay. One of them says”If anyone thinks they can be saved by faith alone in Christ alone LET THEM BE DAMNED. Every one of there laws is against the WORD OF GOD. Catholics and others have been blinded by the god of this world. The Pope , cardinals, etc are modern day Pharisees. Their rich clothing gives them a semblance of holiness… white on the outside but black on the inside. BEWARE OF THE TRADITIONS OF MEN!!

          7. I think that it is important to acknowledge that these attacks are against all Christians and not just Catholics, although they attack Catholicism in particular. Some seem to be suggesting that if it had not been for syncretism between pagan religions and Catholicism that all Christians would be Arians based on the information that some pagan religions had beliefs similar to Christian Trinitarian beliefs, therefore, the Trinity is wrong and Arius was right. If I was to list all of the pagan religions that believed in oneness as did Arius and his modern day heretical followers, would that prove that Arius was influenced by Pagans and thus heretical for his beliefs and practices? I pray all can see the folly of such arguments. Are we to accept such comparisons which persuade only by their volume those that are ignorant and not on the truthfulness and application of the comparisons but on the gullibility and prejudice of the hearer?

            Other claims are not based on pagan religious practices but on Platonic philosophy. Certainly, there was an influence of Greek philosophical thought in the early Church as the early Christians even in Jerusalem had contact with the diaspora Jews who were the early converts to Christianity. St. Paul was one of them. However, the argument for Hellenistic influence falls apart when one realizes that Jesus taught what would be understood to be a Hellenistic influence if it was not for the realization that it was not only the Greek’s who taught similarly but also certain Jewish sects, particularly the Essenes. This is most prominent in the soteriological teaching of Jesus. In other words, similarity does not necessarily mean “descended from”. One should pay particular attention to the fact that those who suppose the similarities to the mystery religions that invaded the Roman Empire three centuries before Christ from the East points out marked but superficial resemblances to Catholicism and many of those resemblances are shared by all Christians including the accusers. Reason would say that if Catholicism has more resemblances it is because Catholicism is a broader fullness of Christianity because of Catholicism’s direct origin from Christ and the Apostles and a long history of scholarship. In other words, because of the broadness of the faith, it is a bigger target for the Church’s detractors than would the truncated Christianity of the critics. So it would seem reasonable to say that if the Catholic Church has similarities to these mystery cults and that means that Catholicism is false the same standard should be used against Catholic critics and their truncated Christian sects who also share similarities.

            The origin of most of this anti-Catholic propaganda comes from the book written by Alexander Hislop, called “Two Babylons” published in the mid-nineteenth century. Another book written by Ralph Woodrow called ”Babylon Mystery Religion” is a revised and modernized version of Hislop’s book. Both of these books are simply lists of similarities of Roman, Babylonian and Egyptian religions to Christianity that these similarities imply descent. Church history makes such comparisons ridiculous but to the uninformed and uneducated in Church history with a predilection to be suspicious of Catholicism these accusations are believed by some. To the knowledgeable the similarities supposed are laughable but even though they are laughable and weak, people are still influenced.

            Religious similarities are inevitable because God relates to all people regardless of their exposure to Christianity. The Scriptures tell us that the law is written on the hearts of all men, not just Christians or Jews. Men may respond to that law within their own cultures and try to make sense of the innate knowledge they possess creating their own religions. Mankind shares similar desires and it should not seem unusual when they come to similar conclusions, not necessarily because of the influence of one on another but because of the influence of God. Could this not be why the Gospel, when shared with others, speaks to their spirit whether they are pagan or Jew and brings people to faith in Christ? Christianity is the culmination of religion and philosophy in the hearts and intellects of men taken as far as man is capable on his own and beyond. Christ brought all intellectual and philosophical concepts of God and His plan for mankind to a conclusion that rests on Him and His redemption on the Cross culminated by the fact that “He is risen” and that through Him death and sin no longer has a hold on us.

            In Christ
            Fr. Joseph

          8. Woody says:

            Beware oh satanic one!

          9. I think that it is important to acknowledge that these attacks are against all Christians and not just Catholics, although they attack Catholicism in particular. Some seem to be suggesting that if it had not been for syncretism between pagan religions and Catholicism that all Christians would be Arians based on the information that some pagan religions had beliefs similar to Christian Trinitarian beliefs therefore the Trinity is wrong and Arius was right. If I was to list all of the pagan religions that believed in oneness as did Arius and his modern day heretical followers, would that prove that Arius was influenced by Pagans and thus heretical for his beliefs and practices? I pray all can see the folly of such arguments. Are we to accept such comparisons which persuade only by their volume those that are ignorant and not on the truthfulness and application of the comparisons but on the gullibility and prejudice of the hearer?

            Other claims are not based on pagan religious practices but on Platonic philosophy. Certainly there was an influence of Greek philosophical thought in the early Church as the early Christians even in Jerusalem had contact with the diaspora Jews who were the early converts to Christianity. St. Paul was one of them. However, the argument for Hellenistic influence falls apart when one realizes that Jesus taught what would be understood to be Hellenistic influence if it was not for the realization that it was not only the Greek’s who taught similarly but also certain Jewish sects, particularly the Essenes. This is most prominent in the soteriological teaching of Jesus. In other words similarity does not necessarily mean “descended from”. One should pay particular attention to the fact that those who suppose the similarities to the mystery religions that invaded the Roman Empire three centuries before Christ from the East point out marked but superficial resemblances to Catholicism and many of those resemblances are shared by all Christians including the accusers. Reason would say that if Catholicism has more resemblances it is because Catholicism is a broader fullness of Christianity because of Catholicism’s direct origin from Christ and the apostles and long history of scholarship. In other words because of the broadness of the faith it is a bigger target for the Church’s detractors than would the truncated Christianity of the critics. So it would seem reasonable to say that if the Catholic Church has similarities to these mystery cults and that means that Catholicism is false the same standard should be used against Catholic critics and their truncated Christian sects who also share similarities.

            The origin of most of this anti-Catholic propaganda comes from the book written by Alexander Hislop, called “Two Babylons” published in the mid nineteenth century. Another book written by Ralph Woodrow called ”Babylon Mystery Religion” is a revised and modernized version of Hislop’s book. Both of these books are simply lists of similarities of Roman, Babylonian and Egyptian religions to Christianity that these similarities imply descent. Church history makes such comparisons ridiculous but to the uninformed and uneducated in Church history with a predilection to be suspicious of Catholicism these accusations are believed by some. To the knowledgeable the similarities supposed are laughable but even though they are laughable and weak, people are still influenced.

            Religious similarities are inevitable because God relates to all people regardless of their exposure to Christianity. The Scriptures tell us that the law is written on the hearts of all men, not just Christians or Jews. Men may respond to that law within their own cultures and try to make sense of the innate knowledge they possess creating their own religions. Mankind share similar desires and it should not seem unusual when they come to similar conclusions, not necessarily because of the influence of one on another but because of the influence of God. Could this not be why the Gospel when shared with others speaks to their spirit whether they are pagan or Jew and brings people to faith in Christ? Christianity is the culmination of religion and philosophy in the hearts and intellects of men taken as far as man is capable on his own and beyond. Christ brought all intellectual and philosophical concepts of God and His plan for mankind to a conclusion that rests in Him and His redemption on the Cross culminated by the fact that “He is risen” and that through Him death and sin no longer has a hold on us.

          10. sandraleesmith46 says:

            “These attacks” aren’t even against individual persons; but a MAN MADE system that denies the truth Jesus gave His followers. All those things and more that Fred Schramm listed are indeed accurate insofar as the Roman church teaches, but NONE is SCRIPTURAL in the least. In their efforts to draw in early pagans and convert them to Christianity, THEY were themselves converted to the paganism; and still hold to it, as you do, unwilling to hear Yhwh God’s pure truth and Gospel.

          11. You are forgetting that the “man” you speak of who founded the Catholic Church is Jesus Himself. Jesus prayed that all who are His be one in this same Church. Jesus called His Church the “enduring” pillar and foundation of the truth. Your man made counterfeit sect is not a church but a caricature of man’s desire to disobey God. Who founded your Church…Jesus founded mine.

          12. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Not hardly; you’re the one putting man’s dogma ahead of Christian doctrine. I repeat JESUS founded NO church! His apostles founded the Church, after the Jews rejected them as they had Jesus!

          13. How can anyone be so deceived that they can read the New Testament and not know that Jesus did indeed found a Church and that Church is the Catholic Church? It is the Bible that brought me to the Catholic Church from the confusion of Protestantism.

            Truly an example of the truth of Scriptures says one of the most basic things about our relation with our creator; it is the fact that He has endowed everyone with an innate knowledge of His will. In the OT and in the NT we learn of God’s preparation of our souls to receive him when the Scriptures speak of the law being written on the hearts of each of us, Buddhist, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Baptist, Jehovah Witness, Church of Christ and Mormon. It does not matter. Even the animist in the deepest rain forest knows of God and is drawn to His will. Missionaries will tell you of the common phenomenon of those who they come to minister to and preach the Gospel to these people of them being miraculously prepared to receive His Word and do His will. This law on our hearts is a portal where we can receive Him through the Holy Spirit and the forum from which our spirit can receive His Spirit. This is why the Orthodox speak of knowing where the Church is but not where it is not. This is why the Catholic Church speaks of salvation from outside the Church, but not without the Church and Christ being possible including the different ways the Spirit of God comes into ones life through Baptism. One cannot escape the Spirit of God drawing him to His Church for eternity anymore than one can live by escaping oxygen to animate their flesh in the world. Doing God’s will is what we are created to do and through His Word and the Church, we know that His will is that we be one and come to Him as children, just as we are into His Church, wherever and however that knowledge reaches our soul.

            It seems that for many of us who are Christians that there are stages that the Holy Spirit takes us through. In my apologetics work I see this time and time again and I even experienced it in my own long journey home to the Catholic Church. It seems that for many that they have an abiding love for our Savior and a fire to do His will which defies being quenched. This hunger or burning desire cannot be satiated in that we always desire more of God, more of His love, more of His knowledge and more of His grace in our lives. This is not a selfish hunger or desire but one of doing His will by His Spirit being one with ours. It is this desire to do His will that makes us wanting when we are not in communion with His Church for the fullness of understanding His Word, for the fullness of worship and the fullness of His presence in our life. It is a completeness of our Spiritual journey safe in the bosom of His Church from the lies and deceit of the world from the angel of darkness.

            As the Spirit draws us to His Church by bringing us ever closer, our spirit cooperates with the Spirit of God and we become angry in our flesh and lash out at the destiny of God’s will which is His Church. There comes a struggle from within where we resist this calling. We may go through a period where we struggle to deny the teachings of the Church, searching the Scriptures to find contradictions and our itching ears may seek out and find those who reinforce our hatred for the Church for others this search is more private but just as intense. Having no success at proving the Church false with Scriptures and realizing that what we started by our search to reinforce our doubts of his Church has instead only made us question our own beliefs. This makes us even angrier, for many of us this means abandoning beliefs that we have held our whole lives which are the beliefs of our ancestors which is very frightening. This is hard teaching by the Spirit which we struggle to accept or to deny.

            Reflecting on this I think of those in the first century who came to the Church from diverse backgrounds both Jew and Gentile that must have faced the same struggles. Indeed the Scriptures give us the example of Saul’s conversion experience where a man filled with hatred was humbled by the miraculous might and love of God on the road to Damascus. Did he love God any less as a Pharisaical Jew or just more truly as a Christian coming within God’s will? I believe his love remained the same but that on that road to Damascus he came into the fullness of God’s will in his life. Here, in St. Paul, we have the example one of the Church’s most ardent persecutors becoming its most faithful and prolific missionary and changing the world by doing God’s will, not in hatred for another but in the love he found in His conversion. God worked through him in inspiration to add to His Word and bring into understanding the New Covenant to the world.

            When we fail in our personal efforts to reinforce our desire for the Church to be false by studying Scriptures we then turn to history of the early Church and study the teaching of the fathers and the proclamations of the Church councils. Surely, we think, this will prove that our suspicions of Christ’s Church are true. These are the men, some of whom were trained by the disciples of our Lord, who were closest to the incarnate Word. But to our dismay we instead find that studying their teaching and their beliefs still points to the veracity of the Church. Some during this process may even suggest that Christ’s Church became apostate later but then at some point we are forced by the Spirit , if we are so blessed by His grace, to reflect on Christ’s promises to His Church which reveals that our desire to find apostasy can only be false, if we embrace the truth of His Word. For, it is not His Word that denies His Church, as some would claim, but instead that convicts our spirit of the Church’s veracity. For a time we may become even more angry and start to pray about what we have learned and ask for God’s guidance to the truth expecting God to show us what we have missed or overlooked in our study that will convict us once and for all of the apostasy of the Church and the falseness of the Church’s teaching. Instead, for those with ears to hear and a continuing desire through God’s grace we go through the most humbling experience of our lives where we must come to reality that through our pridefulness that we have remained for so long in denial of the truth and God’s will that we unite with His Church.

            I think that this process is the culmination of the prayer that so many of us made to God when we were called and convicted into His service, whether layman or clergy. It was a prayer for Him to use us for His glory, for so many of us after our conversion become apologists and reach out to others to encourage others to study the Scriptures and the history of the Church and be empathetic to what the Bible reveals about the faith of the first Christians, which were Catholic in every sense of the word and Word.

            Catholics only love their enemies but one may observe that the hatred only moves in one direction and probably occurs for at least two reasons. For those still on their journey home they are waiting for their personal epiphany as was received by St. Paul but I am reminded of what Jesus said to St. Thomas:

            (Joh 20:29 DRB) Jesus saith to him: Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen and have believed.

            For some that epiphany will indeed come when Christ will stand before us and allow us to put our fingers within His wounds and will be blessed. Others of us come to Him as children, surrendering completely to Him and are blessed to release our pridefulness and with humbleness, accept His truth, His promises and His Church.

            Why does hatred only move in one direction, for me it is because I see those hating the Church as being on the same journey as I? I was once where they were, thinking I hated the Church when in fact I was fighting against the Spirit moving in my life. I failed to recognize that I was being blessed. In the process I have learned more than anything else that it is impossible to love God and His Church and at the same time to hate those who despise His Church. Perhaps it is the fullness of faith, of worship or practice but most probably the exercise of His greatest commandment to love for all humanity for as He loves us we are to love others. The greatest expression of this love and the fruit of our conversion is the antithesis of our flesh which is to love our enemies. For, it is written, the Christian is to love even those who hate His Church. May the Lord bless us all?

            In Christ,
            Fr. Joseph

          14. Woody says:

            You only show your ignorance when you speak to and educated man.

          15. LarryMH47 says:

            Apostasy from a heretical ‘church’ created by Constantine for political purposes is not disobedience to Christ’s will. Jesus sees the heart. There are Roman Catholics in Christ’s church, but they are only a small part of the whole Body of Christ.

          16. Constantine did not create any church. Where do you get such nonsense?

            The Emperor Constantine did not convert to Christianity after the Edict of Milan but remained a sun worshipper until His deathbed when legend says he did convert. But He did stop the persecution of Christians and even recruited Christians into his military. Christianity did experience great growth as a result of being accepted in the Empire but Constantine did little to promote Christianity even though his mother was a Christian. He certainly did not encourage the pagans to become Christians.

            The Roman state did not suddenly become Christian but it was attractive to the educated populace who were familiar with Greek and Roman philosophy. What appealed to the populace the most was the order of Christianity and the moral example provided by the faith as opposed to the immoral actions of their pagan gods. Conversion of the pagans occurred quickly as a result of people having a choice and not because any religion was favored over another. Certainly Christians were not the majority under the rule of Constantine. There was freedom of religion by edict from Constantine. There was no such thing as a state church under the Emperor Constantine. There was no Roman Church.

          17. Jesus prayed that all who are His be one in unity in His Church just in case you care about His will.

          18. Indeed, the Catholic Church is not a denomination but the original Church founded by Jesus and his apostles.

          19. Woody says:

            Yes, as Jesus only is ONE He needed to found His Church as ONE for He is God and does not need man’s stupid help and to be a denomination there hsas to be MORE THAN ONE. Nowhere in scripture did He direct any mere man to found a church.

          20. Tallulah Cusati says:

            cristoiglesia, You do not know very much. You are a stupid person. Get lost.

          21. Elephant says:

            That’s a real Christian response. And I am supposed to take you seriously?

          22. scrubbie says:

            You’re speaking to a person who has apparently devoted his life to the study of God, Jesus, The Bible, and The Catholic Church, Tallulah, whereas you have nothing to offer in the way of information except your own opinion, to which we are all entitled even if yours is wrong.

          23. Dr.Nelsion says:

            Well said Scrubbie; scrubbie it on…

          24. LarryMH47 says:

            It is perfectly possible to disagree, even argue, without stooping to name calling. Please return to the sandbox.

          25. No thanks, but i appreciate your kind offer.

          26. Woody says:

            You are correct; many on this site do not know the truth as you state it but Jesus predicted “Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free. God Bless

          27. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Jesus Himself founded NO church; HE was teaching the JEWS that He was the fulfillment of the prophets and Law; Gentiles weren’t even admitted until AFTER the resurrection, some while. Paul was sent to them; until then it had been Jews only and was viewed as a sect of Judaism; it was well into the middle of the 1st century before the first non-Jews were saved.

          28. Woody says:

            Right? “Thou art Cephas (Peter; Rock) and upon this rock I will build my Church.” So I guess God (Jesus) is a liar.??

          29. fred schramm says:

            Sounds like that when you take that line out of context, which is what false christianity does

          30. sandraleesmith46 says:

            ON this PETRA is what He will build the Church; not the cephas.

          31. fred schramm says:

            If it was a sect of Judaism then why was the book of Hebrews written to Jews who became christians and were persecuted for it.

          32. sandraleesmith46 says:

            I didn’t say it “was”, I said in the early days it was THOUGHT to be; even by the Jews.

          33. Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”

            Of course this is the verse where our Lord appointed Simon as the leader of the disciples, head of the Church on earth and the Pope. It is believed by some Protestants that they can defend their position of Simon not receiving the authority from Jesus by using the original Greek.

            The claim made is that there is a difference between the Greek words “petra” and “petros”. Now, if this discussion between Jesus and Simon had occurred a few centuries earlier before Attic Greek had ceased to be and lost in antiquity it might be a valid argument. However, in the first century when this discussion occurred the Greek language was Koine Greek instead. In Koine Greek there is no difference in the meaning between “petra” and “petros” except in Koine Greek “petra” is feminine and “petros” is the masculine form. So what I am saying is that one is making a great error in interpretation to assign the Attic Greek meanings large stone and small stone, which was used in ancient Greek poetic writings, when that language was gone for centuries in usage.

            Now, let us look at the Aramaic which is the familial language spoken by Jesus and the disciples which is the language which this discussion recorded in the Scriptures in Koine Greek occurred. We know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic because His words on the cross are in Aramaic (Matt 27:46). In fact, the book of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic according to most scholars including myself. Also in the St. Paul’s letters to the Galatians and to the Corinthians we see the word Cephas a total of eight times which is the English equivalent of kepha. Kepha always means rock. So, in Matthew 16:18 it would read using the Aramaic “You are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.” There is no big rock and pebble as evidence was given in the then dead Attic Greek. So in the original language Jesus does not offer a contrast but instead He clearly is calling Simon the rock.

            If one is not yet convinced that the rendering in Attic Greek is improper let us look at Matthew 16:18 with the Attic Greek interpretation and see which one makes the most sense…. “Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father in heaven. And I tell you, you are just a little pebble and upon this rock I will build my Church.” Instead of the Koine Greek “you are Rock (Petros) and upon this rock (petros) I will build my Church. He goes on to give Simon Peter the keys to heaven showing the authority of the rock named Peter. As the King of Kings Jesus is making Peter His prime minister of His kingdom and we can see the foreshadowing from Isaiah 22: 21-22 and the leader of the flock from John 21:15-17. It shows in Isaiah the passing on of the keys from one to another for authority of the kingdom just as the authority of the papacy is passed on.

          34. The only way that you can honestly make that claim is if you have never read the New Testament which is almost entirely about the formation of the Catholic Church representing Christianity. You do not get your opinions about the Church from the Bible because you would have to ignore the context of the Bible to come to your illogical and unsupportable conclusions that are a lesson in irrationality.

          35. Woody says:

            Right on–she knows very little only what her mentors fed her – she has never heard of the Council of Hippo or the Council of Chalcedon.

          36. Robert E Ball says:

            For someone in your position you show a great lack of knowledge. The catholic church didn’t ever exist until 325 A.D. when the remains of Christ’s church, then in shambles, got together and fought over what the beliefs should be. The creed they came up with is the best example in history of something completely ridiculous and unintelligible.

          37. Mary Jackson says:

            True

          38. You did not have to come on here and proclaim your ignorance so I will be kind.

            Your friend is very misinformed about the Council of Nicaea. The Council did not even discuss the New Testament or any part of the biblical canon nor was that a part of the agenda of the Council. There was no vote on the Canon.

            The Council was convened by the Emperor Constantine I to try to influence the Church by his might and intimidation to deny that Jesus is God. The Emperor had come to believe and follow the heretical and powerful bishop Arius about the nature of Jesus. Arius and the Emperor believed that Jesus was not God and the 2nd person in the Trinity of the one God which had been taught since the beginning of the Church at Pentecost. The Emperor wanted to unite his empire by denying that Jesus is God which left Constantine with the ability to raise his own stature before his subjects on a level equal to Jesus.

            In the beginning it looked as if Constantine I and Arius would be successful as the Bishops in attendance were indeed frightened and intimidated by the Emperor and would not speak up on their own against this teaching. Just as God raised up David to confront Goliath he raised up another very young man named Athanasius, a young Deacon who had accompanied his Bishop to Nicaea to defend orthodoxy. So eloquently did Athanasius defend the faith that it invoked the Bishops to vote against the wishes of Arius and Constantine. He is known today as St. Athanasius and the creed of Nicaea bears His name. Here is the proclamation that came out of the Council of Nicaea and refined by subsequent councils:

            “Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Eternal and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.
            So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
            So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other,None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.
            Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
            God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of His mother, born into the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man, of a reasonable Soul and human Flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but One Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into Flesh, but by taking of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by Unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one Man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.”

            The Christian Biblical Canon would not be decided on by the Church until the late 4th and early 5th centuries after the Council of Rome and the three African Synods of Hippo and Carthage presided over by the great St. Augustine.

            In Christ
            Fr. Joseph

          39. Jeanne Stotler says:

            Father, I went to Catholic school thru 9th grade, and then to Public School where in our English and Civic classes religions were discussed, today this is taboo unless it’s about Islam, yes “The Truth will set YOU free” and we either teach about ALL religions in schools or NONE, it is NOT the place of public schools to indoctrinate young people into a religion, this falls to the parents. If I was raising kids today, I would do as I did with older ones and send them to Parochial schools, they did go to Public HS as our Catholic HS cost as much as college back then, Younger ones went to public school and CCD (which I taught) because it was an hour each way to a Catholic school.

          40. No name nut case says:

            They certainly didn’t get those requirements from the Holy Bible! Those men don’t just read and believe the bible, instead they twist the bible and add and subtract things from it so that they can change it to their own tastes. They have an iron grip on people who listen to them, because what the teachers say doesn’t line up with what the “little people” read in their bibles and they are confused! The people at the top are power hungry. The people “beneath” them should just read their bible and believe it. Those at the top are addicted to power and they are as deceived as the ones who deceived them. The bible calls the deceiver “Satan.”
            The bible is complete in itself. The only other book that one might need when reading the English bible is a good English dictionary. (If they are reading some other language version of the Bible they need a dictionary of that language.) Don’t let people deceive you!

          41. The Bible itself says that it is the Church that is the “pillar and foundation of the truth”, which is the logical conclusion given that the Church produced the Bible under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

          42. The Church is not the product of the Bible but instead the Bible is the product of the Church.

          43. No name nut case says:

            Answer this: which came first Peter, James, John and Christ, or the Catholic chuch?

          44. David in MA says:

            And in 325 Emperor Constantine had the Conference at Necia to decide what would be in the Bible to which the “Christian Church” was born, born of the words of man using information from all religions and their writings coupled with the Jewish Torah (which Jesus taught) to keep the people in order, remember the saying: Disobey Rome and die, disobey the church and burn in hell?) There is so much information on the net it will take a person a lifetime to gather, but if the start of gathering is done an understanding will be born. And in the process the truth will be found, that we have been had. Is there a Supreme being? Yes. Is it GOD called YAHWEH? Yes. Is He Spirit? Yes. But each has to find Him in their own way.

          45. No name nut case says:

            You are so full of yourself. I have no idea where you get your information, but it isn’t at all true. Jesus Christ himself is the author of the Bible. Jesus Christ gave the words to the 13 apostles to write in the book called the BIBLE (12 apostles to Israel, and 1 apostle to the Gentiles). It is NOT a compilation of folk stories and myths!

          46. sandraleesmith46 says:

            ‘Scuse me? Jesus IS the Living Word; so yes, Author of the Bible; but HE started doing so LONG before He walked the face of this Earth in corporal form; HE was the God Who walked in the Garden with Adam and Eve; Who called Abram from Ur and the worship of the moon deity known as Allah; Who met Jacob at the ladder and again on his return and wrestled with him; Who spoke to Moses from the burning bush, and wrote the Decalogue in stone; Who chose David as king of Israel and went out to battle with him; Who inspired every single prophet who wrote any part of the OT, and then Who taught His disciples to become Apostles. The lessons He taught the Apostles were drawn directly from the OT; which was the “Bible” He used in synagogues and the Temple to teach as well.

          47. No name nut case says:

            Oh, brother. Give me a break.

          48. David in MA says:

            Sorry, but I am right and you are wrong, your catholic, right?

          49. No, you are entirely wrong and are actually clueless as to where the Bible came from. All of the authors of the books of the Bible were Catholic Christians.

          50. LarryMH47 says:

            LMAO! Moses, Joshua, and all the kings, scribes, and prophets God sent before Christ was born were all Catholic Christians? Funniest trolling I’ve seen in awhile!

          51. No name nut case says:

            You are sooooo right!! Lol!

          52. No name nut case says:

            That is an absolute lie from Satan himself.

          53. At the time that the Bible was written there were no Christians that were not Catholic.

          54. Kol says:

            Untrue. When the Old Testament was written there were NO Christians or Catholic church.

          55. I was speaking of the New Testament. I am sorry, I forgot that you were a Russian communist atheist.

          56. Kol says:

            What does the Bible say about a snotty Catholic priest with a condescending, nasty attitude insulting other people and calling names!?

          57. Kol says:

            As a SNOT-nosed “priest” you are wrong 3 times:
            1. I am not Russia, I am American.
            2. I am not communist.
            3. I am not an atheist.

            And you are a snotty, poor example of a “Christian” and a priest!

          58. Kol says:

            This strange world: Nasty sins Catholic priests and nuns commit … – SDE

            https://www.sde.co.ke › Crazy Monday

            Nov 7, 2016 – Little, however, is reported of Catholic priest and nuns, yet some of them, like their protestant men and women of God, get involved in nasty …

          59. For about the last 20 years according to the orders of Pope Benedict, when a priest is accused of any abuse he is immediately removed from ministry and a process of fact finding begins independently by secular authorities and ecclesiastical authorities. It is important to know that the abuse that in currently in the news is abuse that happened 40-60 years ago when bishops erred in thinking that these perpetrators could be rehabilitated and returned to ministry. Also, they were not accused of pedophilia but for having homosexual relations with other homosexual young men in their care which is hebephilia. The psychiatric community was wrong in believing they could cure this aberrant behavior and the Bishops erred in thinking that they could be cured in treatment. They were returned to ministry upon advice to the Bishops by the psychiatrists. In retrospect this was bad advice but 40-60 years ago this was the prevailing approach in the medical community to these actions. Almost all of these cases were known by the secular authorities as well and investigated. Unfortunately prosecutions did not occur because of insufficient evidence against the perpetrators to bring them to trial in the secular courts or because the young homosexuals were of the age of consent.

            Priests go through a long process (years) of discernment before becoming priests. During that time their behavior is studied by their mentors and they are rejected for showing homosexual tendencies or any other perverse desires or behaviors. They are given complete background checks that include interviews with people that know them well and criminal background checks as well. They also have sensitivity training to instruct them to recognize abuse and how to report abuse. Since Benedict became the one overseeing these issues he has instituted these same checks and training to lay people in contact with children as well. I think this has been going on for about 10 years for the laity. No one is protected for offences and there is a zero tolerance for abuse of any kind.

            http://www.usccb.org/ocyp/FinalAnnualReport.pdf

            In the recent accusation of the Pope, the accusations 40-50 years before the Pope was made aware were investigated by the secular authorities and no prosecutions ensued because of insufficient evidence or the fact that most of the supposed victims were beyond the age of consent. There were no secular laws broken that could be prosecuted was the conclusion of the secular investigations. However, when these allegations surfaced later they were being investigated by the Church and an ecclesiastical trial was ongoing. The alleged perpetrator died a few days after the Pope was informed of the crimes and the Pope had not had time to do anything. He did not stop the trial as the New York times reported using as evidence a falsified document given to them by the lawyer trying to sue the Vatican for wrong doing. So in conclusion, the secular authorities had long since exhausted all chances of prosecution and the only judgment left was the ecclesiastical court but the alleged perpetrator died before the trial was completed.

            The statistics I gave were from an Associated Press story but here is a complete study of the problem related to Protestant and Catholic clergy:

            http://www.chnetwork.org/forum/moral-and-social-doctrine/%27it-ain%27t-just-catholic-priests%27-resources-on-shocking-statistics-of-clergy-sexu/?wap2

            Certainly I have already told you what the Catholic Church is doing about the abuse. The mainline Protestant churches are following the example of the Catholic Church in stopping their abuse. The problem continues to occur as far as cover-ups are concerned among the so called non-denominational churches that have no oversight and are really closed communities with many having cult like followers and also the small groups of fundamentalist sects.

            The facts are that it is more likely for a Catholic clergy person to be prosecuted than most of the Protestant sects because of the attitude and realization of Catholics that we do have evil people among us and that all are sinners within the Church to various degrees. Because their churches are founded by men, the belief among some Protestant churches is that any evil or sinful leadership makes a church or sect false therefore their abuses are hidden by their elders lest their congregations leave or go into schism.

            Thank you for your inspiration and the opportunity to contend for the faith and the Church that Jesus founded. God bless!

            In Christ
            Fr. Joseph

          60. Kol says:

            You appear very self-righteous and conceited/impressed with yourself.

          61. Kol says:

            Local Catholic Priests to Hold Traditional Boy Diddling Contest

            http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2008/march/catholiccontest.html

            Freehold, Iowa – The Church of Mary, Queen of Heaven will be holding its 75th Annual Boy Diddling Contest for all registered priests in the Roman Catholic …

            Why is it that only Catholic priests diddle little boys? | IGN …

            http://www.ign.com › Boards › The Vault › Outpost

            Apr 13, 2010 – 19 posts – ‎3 authors

            You never hear of a Lutheran pastor or a Muslim imam doing it. Strange, that.

          62. Woody says:

            Not true–Protestant churches do not even track it thus they do not have to do anything about it like Jesus Church. But their insurance companies have the data.

          63. Woody says:

            A sure sign it is Jesus’ Church–“anyone who supports me will go through much suffering for My sake.” “…but you must persevere to the End.”

          64. Kol says:

            MANIA AND “HYPER-RELIGIOSITY” | International Bipolar Foundation

            http://www.ibpf.org/blog/mania-and-“hyper-religiosity”

            The question was “Why is it so common for hyper-religiosity to be part of mania? …… God spoke to me and said regardless of my husbands mental state my faith …

            Hyperreligiosity and mental illness. | therapy journey

            https://therapyjourney.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/hyperreligiosity/

            Oct 6, 2014 – Hyperreligiosity and mental illness. by therapyjourney. “The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God …

            Hyper-religiousity/Hyper-religiosity/Hyperreligiosity/Hyperreligiousity …

            http://www.rspearson.com/hyperreligiosity.html

            Hyperreligiosity is the psychiatric term for mental illness that is centered on religion. It is the disability that can lead to killing in the name of God, or isolation from …

            Religion and Mental Illness – How we define “hyper” religious and …

            blogs.psychcentral.com › Bipolar Disorder › Blogs › Tales of Manic Depression

            Sep 18, 2012 – religion and mental illness Are there hyper religious people walking around with schizophrenia or hypo mania that don’t even know it?

          65. Woody says:

            Thanks Donald Duck–I do see the Schiz in your writings (if that’s what they are?)

          66. Kol says:

            When it Comes to Hateful Internet Speech, Christians Are the Worst …

            https://www.onfaith.co/onfaith/2014/07/17/…hateful-internet…christians…/33131

            Jul 17, 2014 – The Internet is clearly a place for a lot of hateful people, including hateful Christians, to sound off. If they are anonymous, they can be the worst …

            Yes, Christians Spew the Most ‘Hateful Internet Speech’ — Charisma …

            http://www.charismanews.com/…/44751-yes-christians-spew-the-most-hateful-internet-spee...

            Jul 23, 2014 – When it comes to hateful Internet speech, Christians are the worst. That’s the headline of an article by Washington Post columnist and OnFaith …

          67. Woody says:

            Not surprised; the Post, CNN and MSMBC are the author of all fake news (and some others–CBS); the fact that you even use these dummies show that you need to return to school, learn some logic, metaphysics, et al. You only make yourself look like a fool when on line. The above ratings are in the high 20″s while Fox remains at 82% despite their recent losses. Come back when you get an education. Anyone that upsets Jesus will always be a loser and as My mom says, “In the End My Immaculate Heart will conquer.” Thanks mom.

          68. Kol says:

            Derp.

            LOL!

          69. Kol says:

            What Does the Bible Say About Hateful Words? – OpenBible.info

            https://www.openbible.info/topics/hateful_words

            Bible verses about Hateful Words. … Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.

          70. Woody says:

            Yes, all of this is no surprise as Jesus calls it “SIN” He points out that even HE was wrong in 1 out of 12 times (Judas)

          71. Kol says:

            How the Catholic priesthood became a haven for many gay men.

            http://www.slate.com/…/how_the_catholic_priesthood_became_a_haven_for_many_gay_m...

            Apr 20, 2017 – But it’s dishonest to dismiss sexuality’s influence given that we know there is a disproportionate number of gay priests, despite the church’s …

            Homosexual clergy in the Catholic Church – Wikipedia

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_clergy_in_the_Catholic_Church

            Jump to Notable gay Catholic priests – Robert Carter was one of the first gay priests to publicly come out as gay. He co-founded the LGBT …

            ‎Attitude toward homosexuality … · ‎Estimating numbers · ‎Church directives

            Yes, there are lots of good gay priests | National Catholic Reporter

            https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/yes-there-are-lots-good-gay-priests

            Dec 8, 2016 – CThe idea that gays cannot be good priests is stupid, demeaning, unjust, and contrary to the facts. I know many very good priests who are gay, …

          72. Woody says:

            True

          73. Woody says:

            Absolutely and the two councils following Nicea put them together and voted on them.

          74. No name nut case says:

            NO. I am not Catholic!

          75. Nonsense! The teaching of Jesus to his disciples inspired the Bible but the early Church was entirely taught by oral tradition. there was no “Bible” until after the Decretum of Pope St. Gelasius in 382 after the Council of Rome.

          76. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Those “letters” and Gospels that make up the NT were written in the 1st century; they simply weren’t collected into a single tome until later.

          77. No name nut case says:

            You are a robot who can’t even think outside of what has programmed into you.

          78. Nonsense, the Council of Nicaea did not discuss the biblical canon which was not decided until the Council of Rome and declared by the then Pope St. Gelasius in his decretum. I have personally read and held this document in my gloved hands.

          79. David in MA says:

            Looks like you are a perfect example of catholic BS.

          80. Stop making up history to support your nonsense.

          81. Woody says:

            good point – the uneducated would deny WWii happened!

          82. It was the Council of Rome that decided the Canon. The Council of Nicaea discussed Arianism versus Christianity. The Emperor Constantine was an Arian. Google the Decretum of Pope St. Gelasius.

          83. David in MA says:

            Your talking Catholicism, I’m talking Christianity, two very different things.
            The council in 325 was when Constantine had the Bible “edited” and formalized, then your past popes added and took away from it to satisfy the “catholic” hierarchy to keep the ignorant in line, most of who could not read and believed what they were told.

          84. There was no Bible to edit in 325. There would not be a Bible until after the Council of Rome (382) when Pope Gelasius decided the list of books. Editing the Bible is an impossibility.

          85. One fatal flaw in your theory…there was no Biblical Canon in 325. There would not be a Bible until the reign of Pope Gelasius:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gelasius_I

          86. Woody says:

            Get yourself a good high school history book; Catholic and Christtian are one and the same; it was the next two courncils that took up the Bible – not Nicea.

          87. Doris Will says:

            Exactly what Protestant seminery did you attend? Do you know the Nicene Creed? The Lutheran service: I believe in one Holy catholic and apostolic church. the c is in lower case because it means worldwide. The Roman Catholic Church Capital C because it is the name of the denomination. The Lutheran Church uses it with a small c because it is worldwide. If you didn’t know that you didn’t go to a Protestant seminary.

          88. M. div Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. Ph.D. Duke Divinity. Indeed I know the Nicene Creed. I grew up in the Moravian Church. My undergraduate degrees are in biology and music.

          89. Doris Will says:

            Knowing the Nicene Creed and not knowing that catholic means worldwide, and is capitalized as part of the name of the church, didn’t make sense to me. I am familiar with John Hus. As he was being burned at the stake he said today you cook a goose, but a Swan will follow. That is why Martin Luther was called The swan of the Reformation. That brings us to the reason. A lot of the Popes did not follow the teaching of Jesus. They were selling indulgences to the people to pay for their release from purgatory . Luther tried tried to reform the church, translated the Bible into German, and had it translated into German. Then he preached the truth to the people, and the Pope tried to have Luther Killed, but he was protected by the German Princes who followed Him, and started the Lutheran Church. John Hus was a firm believer of
            Unintrusiveness is based on the Moravian belief that God positively wills the existence of a variety of churches to cater for different spiritual needs. There is no need to win converts from other churches. The source of Christian unity is not legal form but everyone’s heart-relationship with the Saviour.

          90. Woody says:

            More n onsense; ignores all that the Savior said to salve one’s erroneous conscience. You do not even know how the word Catholic came about; no surprise it does not make sense to you.

          91. Actually “Catholic” means universal. Hus indeed was one of the more interesting Christian heretics in history. Moravians were originally called Hussites and were persecuted in Europe and that is why they migrated and founded two cities in America, Bethlehem, PA and Winston-Salem, NC. I lived in the latter.

          92. The Catholic Church is NOT a denomination but the only Church founded by Jesus personally. All others claiming to be a church are man-made counterfeits.

            Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary- M.div.
            Duke Divinity-Ph.D.

            I grew up in the oldest of the Protestant sects the Moravian church. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and the Moravian church was founded by Jan Huss.

          93. sandraleesmith46 says:

            No they aren’t the same thing; although the RCC tries to claim it, just like Islam claims to be worshiping the same God as Christians and Jews; another lie.

          94. No name nut case says:

            My answer to all questions about the Church is “read the Bible!” The Catholics try to keep it from you for a reason. If you read it you’ll see how full of the devil they are! Read it cover to cover. Don’t skip around. Read it slowly so that you can understand it. It is not too difficult to understand, but the Catholic church hid it from their people, telling them that they couldn’t understand it. It is written in old English but there is modern version (New King James version) which is easier to read but less accurate than the Old King James version. God preserved this version of the bible and kept the Catholics from destroying it. They hate it to this day and don’t want their followers to read it.

          95. Catholic Christianity preceded Protestant christianity by 1500 years. Catholic Christianity was founded by Jesus and Protestant christianity was founded by the heretic Martin Luther.

          96. David in MA says:

            There were what might be called different sects practicing a form of Christianity before
            Nicaea, Constantine had them all brought under a single form of Christianity and what your talking with the canon, pope & other influences of the Roman clergy who were in cahoots with the emporia of Rome to control the people. (Defy Rome and die, Defy the church and burn in hell).
            I still say I refer to Christianity and your spouting catholic church doctrine. No wonder the catholic church is dying, lies, lies & more lies.
            Go bother someone else with your falsehoods, I do not care to hear it.

          97. The Council did not even discuss the New Testament or any part of the biblical canon nor was that a part of the agenda of the Council. There was no vote on the Canon.

            The Council was convened by the Emperor Constantine I to try to influence the Church by his might and intimidation to deny that Jesus is God. The Emperor had come to believe and follow the heretical and powerful bishop Arius about the nature of Jesus. Arius and the Emperor believed that Jesus was not God and the 2nd person in the Trinity of the one God which had been taught since the beginning of the Church at Pentecost. The Emperor wanted to unite his empire by denying that Jesus is God which left Constantine with the ability to raise his own stature before his subjects on a level equal to Jesus.

            In the beginning it looked as if Constantine I and Arius would be successful as the Bishops in attendance were indeed frightened and intimidated by the Emperor and would not speak up on their own against this teaching. Just as God raised up David to confront Goliath he raised up another very young man named Athanasius, a young Deacon who had accompanied his Bishop to Nicaea to defend orthodoxy. So eloquently did Athanasius defend the faith that it invoked the Bishops to vote against the wishes of Arius and Constantine. He is known today as St. Athanasius and the creed of Nicaea bears His name. Here is the proclamation that came out of the Council of Nicaea and refined by subsequent councils:

            “Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Eternal and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.
            So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
            So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other,None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.
            Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
            God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of His mother, born into the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man, of a reasonable Soul and human Flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but One Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into Flesh, but by taking of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by Unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one Man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.”

          98. David in MA says:

            Go pray to your queen of heaven, the screaming night hawk, Lillith.

          99. Can you identify what you are calling lies? The Bible says of the Catholic Church that it is the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. Why do you disagree with Scriptures?

          100. No name nut case says:

            My bible doesn’t say “Catholic” anywhere in it!

          101. No name nut case says:

            Pure bull! The gentile church began by the Apostle Paul. Try reading the Bible.

          102. Why? The Canon was not decided until the Council of Rome where the list of biblical canon was decided by Pope St. Gelasius.

            http://www.tertullian.org/decretum_eng.htm

          103. No name nut case says:

            You can read everything on the internet and still not know a thing about God, or Christ and the Church. Try reading the Holy Bible, preferably the King James version, and see if it isn’t made very clear to you.

          104. No name nut case says:

            The catholics always refer to themselves as THE church, but they couldn’t be more off base. “The Church” is the combined body of believers in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ! The REAL church is not made of stone and it has no walls! The head of the REAL church is Jesus Christ and none other!

          105. No, Jesus founded the Church in the first century. Read the book of Acts which chronicles Jesus founding His Church, the Catholic Church.

          106. LarryMH47 says:

            And that is the mistake you keep making. Jesus NEVER visited Rome. His Church is NOT the ROMAN Catholic Church. He is far more inclusive of Believers than you are.

          107. Woody says:

            Funny how a lack of education really shows on this site; one can not do simple research “Jesus never visted Rome;; so what He never visited Cincinnati either? Or Paris, or Alaska

          108. LarryMH47 says:

            Then why call it the ROMAN Catholic Church? We don’t look to the Cincinnati Church either.

          109. The name is Catholic Church.

          110. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Because it’s not the “Universal Church” for all it claims to be, and isn’t the Orthodox Catholic church either.

          111. Indeed, why are you calling it the “Roman” Catholic Church. The name is simply “Catholic Church” and we use that name just to differentiate between Christ’s Church representing unity with Christ and the sects founded by men called Protestant representing division in the Body of Christ.

          112. LarryMH47 says:

            LOL – So you don’t even know the formal name of your religion.

          113. Woody says:

            We have never called it the “Roman” Catholc Church–only Protestants use this term–back in 1500 protestants tried to limit Jesus Church so they added “Roman” supposedly to try and “localized” Jesus Church which He said ALL should belong to. But read the name in St Ignatiius of Antoch’s original letter – he said “Catholic” ONLY (no Roman was ever added) See ltr still extant 107 AD which changed Jesus Church from “People of the Way.”

          114. Historically you could not be more inaccurate about the Church founded by Jesus that we call the Catholic Church. What does Jesus not visiting Rome have to do with the formation of His Church? Those that are obedient to Christ are Catholic. Jesus prayed for unity in His Church the Catholic Church and not in the thousands of man-made counterfeit sects pretending to be of God. They are not but are disconnected from his will.

          115. No name nut case says:

            That’s for sure! They probably don’t know that there is an entire chapter in the bible written specifically to the Romans. Lol! Of course those Romans that Paul wrote to were believers in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

          116. I see that you know very little about Church history. The Church was founded in the 1st century by the son of God, Jesus. He founded only one Church that he called the enduring pillar and foundation of the truth.

          117. Oscar Pearson says:

            You have got to be kidding!

          118. Irene Elizabeth Grooms says:

            You are so right this is in our BIBLES BUT CAN’T REMEMBER WHERE.

          119. fred schramm says:

            You say to not be a catholic is outside of Gods will.I say if you read and know the bible you shouldnt want to be catholic. Pagan religion . on U tube look up satan worship in the vatican

          120. sandraleesmith46 says:

            I’m not up on what Moravians teach; to say for sure, but I do know what the RCC teaches; and it would appear a “backward” jump.

          121. Then why did Jesus pray to His Father that we believers have unity in His Church the Catholic Church that the Bible calls the “pillar and foundation of the truth”?

          122. LarryMH47 says:

            Chapter and verse please on Jesus praying for unity in the Roman Catholic Church.

          123. Douay-Rheims Bible
            Joh 17:21 That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

          124. sandraleesmith46 says:

            He NEVER did; He prayed for his followers to be in unity, but there was no Catholic church until well after His resurrection and Ascension! Indeed, there wasn’t even any church until after those events. The Apostles were still preaching primarily to Jews still.

          125. What you are ignoring here in your attack against the Holy office ordained by Jesus personally is that this is a name change for the disciple named Simon. In Scriptures name changes are significant in that in this case Jesus changes the name of Simon to “rock” or in the Koine Greek Petros which in English is spelled Peter. When Jesus changed Simons name to Peter or Rock He was referring to the enduring office being fulfilled of the prophecy of Isaiah in Isaiah 22. We can also see the example of the parable of the “wise builders”:

            Matthew 7:24-27 (KJV)

            24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

            25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

            26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

            27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

            Obviously, reading the Scriptures without prejudice, clearly teaches that St. Peter is indeed the “Rock” that Christ intended as Jesus in His construction vernacular makes St. Peter not only one of the 12 foundation stones but also the prime minister among the 12. Historically this appointment without exception has been recognized within the Church and the apostolic succession of the bishops as the first among equals with the special appointment as the first to hold the Holy office of prime minister that Christ ordained. This teaching is part of a greater teaching of our Lord about the Church where Jesus teaches that He is the cornerstone of the Church; St. Peter is His prime minister and one of the foundation stones of the Church and the 12 disciples are the foundation stones built upon through apostolic succession.

            My commentary on Isaiah 22 is as follows:

            Certainly in Matthew 16 Jesus is referring to the prophecy of Isaiah in Isaiah 22 and in doing so He is fulfilling the prophetic imagery prophesied by the prophet Isaiah. The prime minister referred to by Isaiah is a type for the appointment of St. Peter to be the leader, steward and authority over His family or household. It further emphasizes by Christ’s actions in His appointment that He, Jesus, having received the throne of David by virtue of His Father is asserting His claim to the throne of David and as the rightful successor as king of all of Judah and Israel. He fulfills this by asserting the legal precedent necessary to fulfill prophecy and appoints St. Peter as the steward over His kingdom. He is claiming by this action what He came to do which was to establish a new and enduring Covenant with His Kingdom. But was this Kingdom fully established at this time or was it just a stepping stone to the establishing of His Kingdom in His appointment of St. Peter in Matthew 16? Certainly, the time had not yet come for the Prime Minister, St. Peter, to exercise the power of the keys for Christ had not yet revealed His glory or made claim to His kingdom with the establishment of the New Covenant. This would not happen until Calvary where Jesus would from the cross drink of the cup of consummation from the hyssop branch and then utter the words, “it is finished” after which He gave up His Spirit and His glory was revealed. He would finish His redemptive work three days later when He raised from the dead. Only then was all prophecy fulfilled and the law satisfied. St. Peter was now endowed with the Authority of Christ to be the royal steward over Christ’s kingdom. So great was this authority that He had the authority to bind or loose on earth as well as in heaven and became the spiritual father of Christ’s family. The keys represent the supremacy of the power bestowed on St. Peter and he is fastened on a peg and carries the weight of maintaining the King’s (Christ’s) house. So great are the parallels between Eliakim and St. Peter that it is implausible to deny that Eliakim is a type for St. Peter. The new kingdom is not a kingdom of land and of a people but it is the establishment of a spiritual kingdom of God and not of men. Keeping with the typology the office of Eliakim was an enduring office and so too is the office that St. Peter to which he has been appointed. Only the prime minister holds the keys of supreme authority and not only the first among equals but the special and singular authority among the disciples and visible head of the Church.

            Let us look directly at the parallels between Isaiah 22 and Matthew 16.

            The prime minister in David’s household had successors:

            Isa 22:15, 1 Kings 4:6, & 18:3, 2 Kings 10:5, 15:5, 18:18

            We see the full authority given to the prime minister:

            Isa 22:22, Mat 16:19, Rev 3:7

            Further teaching of the authority of the prime minister:

            Mat 24:45, Luk 12:42, Gen 41:40, Gen 43:19

            Actually Eph 2:21 says that Christ is the cornerstone which separates and excludes this stone from the rest of the foundation. Christ is set apart as the cornerstone and Jesus speaking in Mat 16:18 is setting St. Peter apart from the other 12 foundation stones when He makes Him His prime minister and in doing so fulfills the prophecy of the coming Messiah by the prophet Isaiah. This is just one more example of Christ fulfilling all things as He came to do.

            In Ephesians 21-22 it speaks about this foundation being built upon through apostolic succession of which the book of Acts records.

            Obviously, you are ignoring a great deal of biblical teaching to support your prejudice against Christ’s own Church and justify your own disobedience to His Church.

          126. sandraleesmith46 says:

            I am NOT ignoring anything; I’m stating that the “little Stone” Peter was NEVER the Rock on which the Church was to be founded! That can ONLY BE Jesus; no one else.

          127. There was no “little stone” as I have already explained to you in exhaustive detail. Jesus pointed to St. Peter and said, “Upon this Rock (Simon whose name He just changed to Petros (rock)), I will build my Church”.

          128. Woody says:

            Correct and right on! These people confuse Greek with Aramaic which Jesus spoke to the Apostles and in Aramaic it means only ROCK!

          129. Unscholarly nonsense and prejudice against the one Church founded by Jesus. Why do you think that your counterfeit sect has greater veracity than Christ’s own Church? What did Jesus say about your rejection of His Church? Jesus said while in prayer to His Father, “Let them be one as you and I are one”. You obviously reject God’s will.

          130. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Nice try; but Jesus DID NOT FOUND any church; that’s HISTORY, both church history and human history! As for my “rejection” of the the Roman Catholic church’s distorted dogma and doctrines, Jesus warned us to be ware of “other gospels and other Jesus'” and those who teach/preach them from Who He is and what He taught. It’s not I, but you and the RCC who reject Him and His Word.

          131. Actually He did…read the Bible. Jesus was warning us about people like yourself who cannot endure the sound doctrines of His Church. He prayed to His Father that we be one in unity in His Church and not any of the man-made counterfeits that you hold as the truth. The Bible calls His Church, the Catholic Church which is the “pillar and bulwark of the truth” The Bible does not lie as you presume to preserve your carnal prejudice.

          132. sandraleesmith46 says:

            I may not have “all truth” all correct; but based on the other posters here, my guess is I’m a lot closer to it than you are. I have read the Bible, even with “clinical detachment”; a technique we nurses learn early on for judging things as objectively as possible. And I did have to let go of some wrong -headed teachings I had learned early in life that simply weren’t Biblical. I don’t know Moravian teachings well, but I can’t understand how anyone could move from a Protestant belief to the distortions and deceits of the Roman system, and not recognize how wrong they are, unless they’re so far afield you couldn’t tell the difference. I think it’s time we all do as Jesus told His disciples to do when a town rejected their teachings and that is shake your dust off our feet and move on; because clearly you choose to not hear truth from any of us.

          133. I could not agree with you more and you have accidentally illustrated why I and so many academicians within Protestantism have come from Protestant Christianity to Catholic Christianity. For the Bible to be infallible there must be an infallible teacher. That teacher is the Holy Spirit that was given to and established the Catholic Church at Pentecost.

            John 16:13 King James Version (KJV)

            13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

            With changing circumstances it would seem reasonable that there be someone or some authority that can apply the apostolic teaching to the change of circumstances lest there be chaotic frustration instead of the application of truth. Take for example the doctrines; these doctrines may be studied with an almost equal danger of error as truth if there is no infallible teacher. An infallible authority would not restrict an enlightened development of truth for those who are seeking the question of what Christ meant in His teaching. Without it there is great possibility and indeed a certainty of error because there is not a word of Christ’s teaching that has not been subject to diverse interpretations. Many of these interpretations are compelling either by their scholarship or their application but are in contradiction of one another. Consequently the following question is illustrated by these facts; how are we to know the truth as these words surly are not enough for the truth to be known? Therefore it is necessary to have an infallible teacher to separate the diversity of opinions into the truth of Christ’s teaching. There must be revelation to satisfy the seeking soul instead of a growing set of diverse opinions and confusion. So, there must be an infallible teacher with the authority from Christ and of Christ as were the disciples for the truth to be known. The question is to those following Sola Scripture is whether the truth is essential or does it remain forever elusive depending on individual interpretation?

            I believe the Scriptures demonstrate just how essential Jesus believed the truth to be. Before His death He gave certain men the authority to teach. He sent out the 72 disciples to teach with His authority. He said to them as well as the original 12, “He that hears you, hears me” which illustrates a transfer of the teaching by oral means to the Church across time to ensure the truth to all generations. It is through the oral teaching that the truth is found by the authority of Christ for truth. That truth is contained within the leadership of the Church and is today the Magisterium which is made up of the successors of those original disciples continuing the chrism given to them by Christ.

          134. Woody says:

            “Litttle stone” is in the Greek translations; Jesus did not speak Greek to the Apostles–he spoke Aramaic–and in Aramaic is means ONLY ROCK!

          135. sandraleesmith46 says:

            And it was HEBREWS fluent in both Aramaic and Greek who translated the Septuagint and the NT later from the original languages into Greek; I seriously doubt they “made a mistake” in which word they chose for that translation! Most likely they were believers much like Paul, lettered in Judaism as well, as were the Septuagint translators.

          136. Jesus spoke Aramaic, your translation is flawed. Where did you study biblical languages?

          137. The Moravian Church was the first Protestant sect.

          138. Woody says:

            At least you are consistent – you are nowhere near knowing what Jesus church teachs.

          139. Coming into God’s stated will is NEVER a “backward” jump. Jesus prayed to His Father for unity and not the divisions represented by the man-made Protestant sects pretending to be the Church.

          140. Nonsense, get an education.

          141. I read and teach the Bible and it says very clearly in recording Jesus where He said in prayer to His Father, “Let them be one, as you and I are one”. The oneness represents the fact that Jesus founded only one Church. I am a former Protestant and I know that this is in your Bible also.

          142. No name nut case says:

            Well, I totally disagree with that statement! “To not be Catholic is obviously to be outside of God’s will.” Baloney! Being Catholic, or Methodist, or Baptist or any other “denomination” doesn’t save anyone. One’s belief in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross, and His burial and resurrection on the 3rd day is what saves people, nothing else.

          143. Perhaps you missed the part in the Bible where Jesus prayed for his Church that we be one in the Church He founded the Catholic Church. There is no indications that Jesus approved of any of the tens of thousands of counterfeit sects. Why do you think Jesus prayed to His Father for unity?

          144. No name nut case says:

            You have a lot of “Christian studies” but the one you failed to study is the Holy Bible! That is where the truth is located. Try reading it sometime!

          145. Read the Bible to learn without your Protestant prejudice.

          146. sandraleesmith46 says:

            That advice you should follow, without your catechism and other teachings biasing you. Clearly, you have yet to understand it.

          147. The Bible came from the Catholic Church and all of the authors of the New Testament were Catholic Christians. I have been teaching the Bible for more than forty years and reading it for another twenty.

          148. LarryMH47 says:

            The Bible was ASSEMBLED by scribes under Constantine in order to unify all Christian denominations into a single political entity which he could control. Jesus’ Church is much larger than the RCC. BTW I learned about that during my time in a Catholic high school.

          149. Nonsense, Constantine had nothing to do with the Bible. The Bible came much later at the Council of Rome which was through the efforts of Pope St. Gelasius.
            You know, I have heard this nonsense before from other protesters of Christ’s own Church. Do you know the source of this revisionist history.

          150. LarryMH47 says:

            It’s called ‘history’. Google Constantine and Bible. You can’t miss it.

          151. Constantine was not even a Christian. Here is a link to the decretum coming out of the Council of Rome written by St. Gelasius declaring the biblical canon.

            http://www.tertullian.org/decretum_eng.htm

          152. Constantine had nothing to do with the Biblical Canon. There was no biblical canon until after the Council of Rome.

            http://www.tertullian.org/decretum_eng.htm

          153. There was no Canon of Scripture untill well after Constantine, which is a good thing since Constantine was not a Christian but instead a follower of Arius and was an Arian and not a Christian. Arians were the first Jehovah Witnesses.

          154. sandraleesmith46 says:

            THAT is a BALD FACED LIE! The authors of the NT, with the exception of Luke, were JEWS, not “Catholic” of any sort! They believed in and followed their Messiah! Luke, the exception, who wrote 2 books, was a Greek physician, and when they were writing there was no “Catholic” anything.

          155. No, the apostles were all Catholic. Where do you get your nonsense?

          156. LarryMH47 says:

            The Apostles were all JEWISH. I get that from the BIBLE. Where do you get YOUR nonsense?

          157. Woody says:

            “Catholic” means “Universal” (found everywhere) not related to nationality; 1st used in the extant text of St iGNATIUS of Antioch on his way to be eaten by lions in 107 AD it forever changed Jesus Church from the name “The Way” to Catholic.

          158. They were former Jews. At that time in Church history all Christians were catholic Christians.

          159. Sorry Sandra but the authors of the New Testament were all Catholic Christians and the Bible is a product of the Church inspired by God.

          160. Woody says:

            Nutbag, the Bible was assembled by the two Catholic Councils following Nicea.

          161. fred schramm says:

            No matter what anyone says or writes isnt going to change your beliefs. One more try. REV 9:7 says” He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens,says this……”Verse 8 is Christ speaking and he holds the key of David…no one else.

          162. Commentary on Isaiah 22 and its relation to St. Peter

            Certainly, in Matthew 16 Jesus is referring to the prophecy of Isaiah in Isaiah 22 and in doing so He is fulfilling the prophetic imagery prophesied by the prophet Isaiah. The prime minister referred to by Isaiah is a type of the appointment of St. Peter to be the leader, steward, and authority over His family or household. It further emphasizes by Christ’s actions in His appointment that He, Jesus, having received the throne of David by virtue of His Father is asserting His claim to the throne of David and as the rightful successor as king of all of Judah and Israel. He fulfills this by asserting the legal precedent necessary to fulfill prophecy and appoints St. Peter as the steward over His kingdom. He is claiming by this action what He came to do which was to establish a new and enduring Covenant with His Kingdom. But was this Kingdom fully established at this time or was it just a stepping stone to the establishing of His Kingdom in His appointment of St. Peter in Matthew 16? Certainly, the time had not yet come for the Prime Minister, St. Peter, to exercise the power of the keys for Christ had not yet revealed His glory or made claim to His Kingdom with the establishment of the New Covenant. This would not happen until Calvary where Jesus would from the cross drink of the cup of consummation from the hyssop branch and then utter the words, “it is finished” after which He gave up His Spirit and His glory was revealed. He would finish His redemptive work three days later when He raised from the dead. Only then was all prophecy fulfilled and the law satisfied. St. Peter was now endowed with the Authority of Christ to be the royal steward over Christ’s kingdom. So great was this authority that He had the authority to bind or loose on earth as well as in heaven and became the spiritual father of Christ’s family. The keys represent the supremacy of the power bestowed on St. Peter and he is fastened on a peg and carries the weight of maintaining the King’s (Christ’s) house. So great are the parallels between Eliakim and St. Peter that it is implausible to deny that Eliakim is a type for St. Peter. The new kingdom is not a kingdom of land and of a people but it is the establishment of a spiritual kingdom of God and not of men. Keeping with the typology the office of Eliakim was an enduring office and so to is the office that St. Peter to which he has been appointed. Only the prime minister holds the keys of supreme authority and not only the first among equals but the special and singular authority among the disciples and visible head of the Church.

            Let us look directly at the parallels between Isaiah 22 and Matthew 16.

            The prime minister in David’s household had successors:

            Isa 22:15, 1 Kings 4:6, & 18:3, 2 Kings 10:5, 15:5, 18:18

            We see the full authority given to the prime minister:

            Isa 22:22, Mat 16:19, Rev 3:7

            Further teaching of the authority of the prime minister:

            Mat 24:45, Luk 12:42, Gen 41:40, Gen 43:19

          163. SandraJ says:

            Wow! For a professor, you sure aren’t enlightened. You don’t seem to know what you want to be when you grow up.

          164. I want to be in God’s will which I have come to understand is a foreign concept to you. He prayed to His Father, “let them be one as you and I are one”. He did not suggest unity in a man-made counterfeit to his Church but unity in His Church. He calls His Church the “pillar and foundation of the truth” but you do not care about the truth.

          165. LarryMH47 says:

            And I am a former Catholic who converted to a nondenominational church when the wolves of the RCC failed to give Godly advice. Are you saying that pedophiles, drunks, and liars are all within God’s will? The True Bride is far larger than you believe. And just because a ‘church’ hijacks a name does NOT make it Christ’s exclusive church. Be careful how you troll, for we all will answer for every idle word we speak.

          166. So, you left Christ’s own Church for a man-made counterfeit sect claiming to be a church. I pray you have recovered from this idiocy. What godly advice did the Catholic Church fail to give you? What gave you the idea that pedophiles, drunks, and liars are within God’s will? God and His Church hates sin. What do you mean by “hijacks a name”? What makes it Christ’s Church is that it is founded by Jesus personally and He revealed His will to be one in His Church and not the tens of thousands of counterfeits sects all claiming to be the truth but none holding Christ’s promise of His Church the Catholic Church as the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. Your counterfeit sect has no such divine promises and thus no veracity. You and everyone that goes to that Church do so outside of God’s personally stated will. As for pedophiles…there are far less in the Catholic Church than in the Protestant caricatures of a church. To be saved come into Christ’s Church and reject the counterfeits that separate you from Christ’s will. Stop trying to justify rejecting Christ and His Church.

          167. Woody says:

            Well enjpy the crackers and grape juice since you lost His Body and Blood. What a poor exchange.

          168. May our Lord and Savior have mercy on you who chose the world over the righteousness of the Church.

          169. Jesus prayed to His Father that we all have unity in His Church the Catholic Church. Why did you choose to be outside of God’s will?

          170. You presume that Jesus lied. He did not. His will is that all who are His be one in unity in His Church and not the man-made counterfeits created by the great deceiver Satan who divides the oneness of the Church founded by Jesus. Jesus prayed to His Father that we be one in His Church and not in man-made counterfeits.

          171. No name nut case says:

            Try reading the whole bible not just bits and pieces of it. It is easy to twist the bible into saying something that it doesn’t, and it is easy to be deceived when one is ignorant of the bible. It is forgivable to be deceived and also forgivable to be ignorant, but not when one refuses to try to understand the WHOLE bible and continues in one’s ignorance.

          172. Woody says:

            Get educated and google the “List of Popes” – long before you 300 years; also, Jesus Church was originally called “The Way.” In 107 AD St Ignatius of antioch renamed it to The “Catholic” Church and Ignatius’ letter is still “extant.” The first 19 Popes died as Martyrs for the Faith (all documented in history)

          173. LarryMH47 says:

            As I said, those 300 years of popes were taken from history books. And as YOU said, the Way is a far cry from the RCC. “Catholic” simply means “Universal”. It’s not a denomination.

          174. Dr.Nelsion says:

            What book are you reading???The RCC is catholic by militaristic imposition, such RCC is called a Whore by the God of heaven. Read the book of revelation, and see that RCC is destroyed by fire; God’s fire!!! In Revelation 3 you see the admonition of the Lord towards those who “Fellowship” with the whore; “Come out of her, or I’ll cast you in great tribulation, and will kill your sons”. You cannot serve her and HIM; Jesus Christ is Lord of all, or He’s not lord at all.

            Holy greetings.

          175. Sharon Jeanguenat says:

            Most theologians believe that the catholic church is the apostate church of the End Times. And, Jesus NEVER founded ANY church. Plus He does NOT want HIS followers to worship Mary. He was crucified, so that the Jews didn’t have to go to the Holy of Holies, & have a man kill a goat once a year to turn over his sins. After He was resurrected, we were given the right for direct communication with Him AND His Father.

          176. Dr.Nelsion says:

            You are right to the letter Sharon.
            Mary in heaven doesn’t even know about the RCC at all.(By the witness of those who’d visited heaven)
            However, when Peter made the statement that;You are the Son of the living God, Jesus replied; Not flesh or blood has revealed that to you, but my father who is in heaven; and, on this “ROCK” (HIMSELF)I will build my church, and the gates of hell will NOT prevail against it..
            The RCC is the whore of the book of revelation.
            Holy greetings.

          177. Nonsense! As I have illustrated with biblical support and proper exegesis Jesus did establish the Holy office of prime minister fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 22. Here you illustrate the source of your error which is fundamentally your pridefulness in believing that your own personal interpretations and “opinions”, without any biblical support, are of more veracity than the teaching authority ordained by Christ.
            Let us look at the teaching of our Lord about His Church. Using construction vernacular He said that He was the King, High Priest, and Cornerstone of the Church. The beginning of a firm/solid/ foundation is always the cornerstone which holds together the elements of the construction.
            He appointed St. Peter as the prime minister of the Church fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah that the Messiah would ordain an enduring office of prime minister and that that prime minister would be given the keys to the kingdom. This is exactly what He did when appointing St. Peter. The keys represented his office and the authority of that office which was to have the power of the king in ministering to the kingdom and the authority to teach and proclaim the will of the king. (Isa 22:20-25)
            The disciples are called the 12 foundation stones (Rev 21:14) of the Church continuing illustrating the permanence of what God is building. It is not a foundation of sand that is temporary but is of an enduring nature to last until the Parousia and strong enough to withstand the tumultuous attacks of hell that would surely attempt to prevail against the Church using every method of attack from within and from without. Even the world would hate that which our Lord had built just as it hated Him. This enduring leadership is the foundation of a Church that can truly be called the “pillar and foundation of the truth” because that which Christ has ordained shall never pass away or be absorbed into the world but will for all time remain heavenly as the ark for humanity where all may be saved just as the ark of Noah was the type for the Church which must endure within the evil of the world to bring the faithful into the promised land of heaven.
            Last of all, the Church stands as testimony to the veracity of Christ and His promises to humanity. The Church is the fulfillment of Scriptures in its enduring quality as well as it being that pillar or bulwark of truth in a world filled with lies, temptation and sins that will murder souls to Christ and decrease the harvest. Its unity in His will with faith and oneness of its mission to proclaim the Gospel after 2000 years is a miracle in itself but also it proclaims the divinity of our Lord where in His prophetic vision, competence of His leadership as the builder of His Church and His promises of His Church makes it truly a city on a hill that cannot be hid (Mat 5:14) frustrating its detractors and more truly the “gates of hell”.

            Jesus did not ordain a temporary office of prime minister but an enduring office to endure until the Parousia when He comes again to claim His Church into glory. Indeed the “gates of Hell” will never endure against what Christ has established on the firm foundation as Christ as the cornerstone, St. Peter and his successors as the prime ministers, and the 12 apostles as the foundation stones representing the Church. This is the teaching of the Bible without prejudice as to what is representative of the true Church so that all will know where the teaching authority resides so that all the world may know where the unadulterated fullness of truth and practice may be found. God Bless!

            In Christ
            Fr. Joseph

          178. Woody says:

            Your education is so far ahead of these people–they have very little truths.

          179. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Nope; her “education” in these matters is PURELY RCC dogma; I heard a good deal of it in grade school, in the catechism classes they held in our classrooms, because there was nowhere for the few of us who were Protestants or Jews to go while they did so. The rest I learned later when I began seriously studying the various religions.

          180. I am a priest and definitely male. I am a Protestant (Moravian) convert to Catholic Christianity.

          181. sandraleesmith46 says:

            I beg your pardon on the gender then.

          182. fred schramm says:

            SAINT PETER SAID CHRIST IS THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. BUT TO SOME HE IS A STUMBLING STONE AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE. DO YOU REALLY THINK HE DIED A HORRIBLE DEATH AND THEN GAVE SOME MAN HIS AUTHORITY AS HEAD OF HIS CHURCH? NO OF COURSE NOT. THE PAPACY IS THE BIGGEST FRAUD PERPETRATED ON MANKIND. DONT STUB YOUR TOE ON THE ROCK.

          183. sandraleesmith46 says:

            He was repeating what David had said centuries before, about the coming Messiah and about Yhwh that he knew as his God.

          184. Dr.Nelsion says:

            You are right Fred, you just hit the nail (RCC) on the head!!

          185. So, your contention is that Jesus founded His Church and then left it without leadership. Well, the Bible and reason defy such nonsense.

            Jesus is speaking to St. Peter in the presence of the other disciples and is in the process of changing Simon’s name to Peter. Throughout the Old Testament, name changes are significant and most often represent a calling to special service to God. In this case, Jesus is emphasizing the fact that Simon, being known as Peter, is the prime minister of His Church as prophesied.

            Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”

            Of course, this is the verse where our Lord appointed Simon as the leader of the disciples, head of the Church on earth and the Pope. It is believed by some Protestants that they can defend their position of Simon not receiving the authority from Jesus by using the original Greek.

            The claim made is that there is a difference between the Greek words “petra” and “petros”. Now, if this discussion between Jesus and Simon had occurred a few centuries earlier before Attic Greek had ceased to be and lost in antiquity it might be a valid argument. However, in the first century when this discussion occurred the Greek language was Koine Greek instead. In Koine Greek there is no difference in the meaning between “petra” and “petros” except in Koine Greek “petra” is feminine and “petros” is the masculine form. So what I am saying is that one is making a great error in interpretation to assign the Attic Greek meanings large stone and small stone, which was used in ancient Greek poetic writings, when that language was gone for centuries in usage.

            Now, let us look at the Aramaic which is the familial language spoken by Jesus and the disciples which are the language which this discussion recorded in the Scriptures in Koine Greek occurred. We know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic because His words on the cross are in Aramaic (Matt 27:46). In fact, the book of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic according to most scholars including myself. Also in the St. Paul’s letters to the Galatians and to the Corinthians we see the word, Cephas, a total of eight times which is the English equivalent of kepha. Kepha always means rock. So, in Matthew 16:18 it would read using the Aramaic “You are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.” There is no big rock and pebble as evidence was given in the then dead Attic Greek. So in the original language Jesus does not offer a contrast but instead He clearly is calling Simon the rock.

            If one is not yet convinced that the rendering in Attic Greek is improper let us look at Matthew 16:18 with the Attic Greek interpretation and see which one makes the most sense…. “Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father in heaven. And I tell you, you are just a little pebble and upon this rock I will build my Church.” Instead of the Koine Greek “you are Rock (Petros) and upon this rock (petros) I will build my Church. He goes on to give Simon Peter the keys to heaven showing the authority of the rock named Peter. As the King of Kings Jesus is making Peter His prime minister of His kingdom and we can see the foreshadowing from Isaiah 22: 21-22 and the leader of the flock from John 21:15-17. It shows in Isaiah the passing on of the keys from one to another for authority of the kingdom just as the authority of the papacy is passed on.

            (John the Baptist) Its irrelevant what you or the catholic church says for neither one of you have the truth. The truth is that Jesus is the Rock the church was built on not peter.

          186. sandraleesmith46 says:

            He left 11 Apostles to lead it, then added Paul as the 12th. None was to be “greater” than any of the others.

          187. I do not understand your contention…Jesus clearly gave St. Peter the authority to lead the Church. This is confirmed in Scripture. The only evidence you have of your contention is your prejudice against Christ’s Church. You have no biblical support whatsoever.

          188. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Peter doesn’t fit the whole Biblical discussion of the “Rock”; NO mere human can do so; it HAS to be Jesus, the only Person Who ever walked the face of the Earth Who can fit what is said about that Rock! I have no “prejudice” against Christ’s Church; just against false claimants to that position, whomever they may be; and Christ’s Church ISN’T an human “institution; the RCC is. If you DOUBT that, look at the Borgias!

          189. Jesus is speaking to St. Peter in the presence of the other disciples and is in the process of changing Simon’s name to Peter. Throughout the Old Testament name changes are significant and most often represent a calling to special service to God. In this case Jesus is emphasizing the fact that Simon, being known as Peter, is the prime minister of His Church as prophesied.

            Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”

            Of course, this is the verse where our Lord appointed Simon as the leader of the disciples, head of the Church on earth and the Pope. It is believed by some Protestants that they can defend their position of Simon not receiving the authority from Jesus by using the original Greek.

            The claim made is that there is a difference between the Greek words “petra” and “petros”. Now, if this discussion between Jesus and Simon had occurred a few centuries earlier before Attic Greek had ceased to be and lost in antiquity it might be a valid argument. However, in the first century when this discussion occurred the Greek language was Koine Greek instead. In Koine Greek there is no difference in the meaning between “petra” and “petros” except in Koine Greek “petra” is feminine and “petros” is the masculine form. So what I am saying is that one is making a great error in interpretation to assign the Attic Greek meanings large stone and small stone, which was used in ancient Greek poetic writings, when that language was gone for centuries in usage.

            Now, let us look at the Aramaic which is the familial language spoken by Jesus and the disciples which is the language which this discussion recorded in the Scriptures in Koine Greek occurred. We know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic because His words on the cross are in Aramaic (Matt 27:46). In fact, the book of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic according to most scholars including myself. Also in the St. Paul’s letters to the Galatians and to the Corinthians we see the word Cephas a total of eight times which is the English equivalent of kepha. Kepha always means rock. So, in Matthew 16:18 it would read using the Aramaic “You are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.” There is no big rock and pebble as evidence was given in the then dead Attic Greek. So in the original language Jesus does not offer a contrast but instead He clearly is calling Simon the rock.

            If one is not yet convinced that the rendering in Attic Greek is improper let us look at Matthew 16:18 with the Attic Greek interpretation and see which one makes the most sense…. “Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father in heaven. And I tell you, you are just a little pebble and upon this rock I will build my Church.” Instead of the Koine Greek “you are Rock (Petros) and upon this rock (petros) I will build my Church. He goes on to give Simon Peter the keys to heaven showing the authority of the rock named Peter. As the King of Kings Jesus is making Peter His prime minister of His kingdom and we can see the foreshadowing from Isaiah 22: 21-22 and the leader of the flock from John 21:15-17. It shows in Isaiah the passing on of the keys from one to another for authority of the kingdom just as the authority of the papacy is passed on.

          190. LarryMH47 says:

            So you’re saying the Holy Spirit does NOT lead the RCC? Interesting!

          191. I never said such nonsense but instead I have been contending for the opposite of your contention.

          192. sandraleesmith46 says:

            That’s okay, HE did.

          193. sandraleesmith46 says:

            He doesn’t; in fact, He withdrew from most of our churches clear back in the early ;
            ’80s because He was no longer welcome in them.

          194. The Holy Spirit or Paraclete leads the Church and as Jesus said is with His Church for all times. He further promises that the Paraclete keeps the Church from theological error.

          195. sandraleesmith46 says:

            You’re relying on what amounts to RCC propaganda! I wish you weren’t truly, but you are; and swallowing LITERALLY as “gospel” when it’s NOT!

          196. Remember Sandra, one should not just accept what is in the Bible when it supports their prejudice but all of the Bible is the Word of God and marked by the veracity of Christ.

          197. sandraleesmith46 says:

            I DO take the Bible as a whole and the Rock on which the Church was to be built is spoken of by David, who never heard of or imagined Peter, while he was looking forward to the coming of his Messiah. He KNEW Who that Rock was.

          198. I am relying on my studies of biblical languages that I learned in Protestant seminaries and not Catholic seminaries.

          199. Dr.Nelsion says:

            Exegesis..What are you talking about??Jesus spoke ancient Aramaic, also known as Leeshana Ateegah. Peter was NOT a prime minister of ANYTHING!!! Read the book”. You are the only begotten son of God. Jesus replied; Flesh nor blood has revealed you that, but my father who is in heaven. Upon that rock(Jesus Is the rock)I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
            You’re bound to the RCC. May God set you free.
            Holu greetings.

          200. Jesus changed Simon’s name to “Rock” (Petros).

          201. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Not so; Peter’s name is Cephas; not Petros, and certainly not PETRA; the Rock on Which the Church was to be built.

          202. Woody says:

            Return to school and get an education:
            Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”

            “Hold it right there!” I said. “I know that verse. That’s where Jesus appointed Simon the earthly head of the Church. That’s where he appointed him the first pope.” I paused and smiled broadly, knowing what the missionary would say in response.

            “I understand your thinking,” he said, “but you Catholics misunderstand this verse because you don’t know any Greek. That’s the trouble with your Church and with your scholars. You people don’t know the language in which the New Testament was written. To understand Matthew 16:18, we have to get behind the English to the Greek.”

            “Is that so?” I said, leading him on. I pretended to be ignorant of the trap being laid for me.

            “Yes,” he said. “In Greek, the word for rock is petra, which means a large, massive stone. The word used for Simon’s new name is different; it’s Petros, which means a little stone, a pebble.”

            the words petros and petra were synonyms in first century Greek. They meant “small stone” and “large rock” in some ancient Greek poetry, centuries before the time of Christ, but that distinction had disappeared from the language by the time Matthew’s Gospel was rendered in Greek. The difference in meaning can only be found in Attic Greek, but the New Testament was written in Koine Greek—an entirely different dialect. In Koine Greek, both petros and petra simply meant “rock.” If Jesus had wanted to call Simon a small stone, the Greek lithos would have been used.(For an Evangelical Protestant Greek scholar’s admission of this, see D. A. Carson, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1984], Frank E. Gaebelein, ed., 8:368).

            “But I’m sure you’ll agree with me that we must get behind the Greek to the Aramaic.”

            “The Aramaic,” I said. “As you know, Aramaic was the language Jesus and the apostles and all the Jews in Palestine spoke. It was the common language of the place.”

            “I thought Greek was.”

            “No,” I answered. “Many, if not most of them, knew Greek, of course, because Greek was the lingua franca of the Mediterranean world. It was the language of culture and commerce; and most of the books of the New Testament were written in it, because they were written not just for Christians in Palestine but also for Christians in places such as Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch, places where Aramaic wasn’t the spoken language.

            “I say most of the New Testament was written in Greek, but not all. Many hold that Matthew was written in Aramaic—we know this from records kept by Eusebius of Caesarea—but it was translated into Greek early on, perhaps by Matthew himself. In any case the Aramaic original is lost (as are all the originals of the New Testament books), so all we have today is the Greek.”

            Aramaic in the New Testament
            “We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic because some of his words are preserved for us in the Gospels. Look at Matthew 27:46, where he says from the cross, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ That isn’t Greek; it’s Aramaic, and it means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’

            “What’s more,” I said, “in Paul’s epistles—four times in Galatians and four times in 1 Corinthians—we have the Aramaic form of Simon’s new name preserved for us. In our English Bibles it comes out as Cephas. That isn’t Greek. That’s a transliteration of the Aramaic word Kepha (rendered as Kephas in its Hellenistic form).

            “And what does Kepha mean? It means a rock, the same as petra. (It doesn’t mean a little stone or a pebble. What Jesus said to Simon in Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my Church.’

            “When you understand what the Aramaic says, you see that Jesus was equating Simon and the rock; he wasn’t contrasting them. We see this vividly in some modern English translations, which render the verse this way: ‘You are Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church.’ In French one word, pierre, has always been used both for Simon’s new name and for the rock.”

            “If kepha means the same as petra, why don’t we read in the Greek, ‘You are Petra, and on this petra I will build my Church’? Why, for Simon’s new name, does Matthew use a Greek word, Petros, which means something quite different from petra?”

            “Because he had no choice,” I said. “Greek and Aramaic have different grammatical structures. In Aramaic you can use kepha in both places in Matthew 16:18. In Greek you encounter a problem arising from the fact that nouns take differing gender endings.

            “You have masculine, feminine, and neuter nouns. The Greek word petra is feminine. You can use it in the second half of Matthew 16:18 without any trouble. But you can’t use it as Simon’s new name, because you can’t give a man a feminine name—at least back then you couldn’t. You have to change the ending of the noun to make it masculine. When you do that, you get Petros, which was an already-existing word meaning rock.

            “In English, where we have ‘Peter’ and ‘rock,’ you lose all of it. But that’s the best you can do in Greek.”

            Beyond the grammatical evidence, the structure of the narrative does not allow for a downplaying of Peter’s role in the Church. Look at the way Matthew 16:15-19 is structured. After Peter gives a confession about the identity of Jesus, the Lord does the same in return for Peter. Jesus does not say, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are an insignificant pebble and on this rock I will build my Church. . . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus is giving Peter a three-fold blessing, including the gift of the keys to the kingdom, not undermining his authority. To say that Jesus is downplaying Peter flies in the face of the context. Jesus is installing Peter as a form of chief steward or prime minister under the King of Kings by giving him the keys to the kingdom. As can be seen in Isaiah 22:22, kings in the Old Testament appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. Jesus quotes almost verbatum from this passage in Isaiah, and so it is clear what he has in mind. He is raising Peter up as a father figure to the household of faith (Is. 22:21), to lead them and guide the flock (John 21:15-17). This authority of the prime minister under the king was passed on from one man to another down through the ages by the giving of the keys, which were worn on the shoulder as a sign of authority. Likewise, the authority of Peter has been passed down for 2000 years by means of the papacy.

            Peter’s name is mentioned FIRST 196 times in the New Testament with the next most mentioned name – st John 29 times. This shows only Peter as head of the Apostles.

          203. The claim made is that there is a difference between the Greek words “petra” and “petros”. Now, if this discussion between Jesus and Simon had occurred a few centuries earlier before Attic Greek had ceased to be and lost in antiquity it might be a valid argument. However, in the first century when this discussion occurred the Greek language was Koine Greek instead. In Koine Greek there is no difference in the meaning between “petra” and “petros” except in Koine Greek “petra” is feminine and “petros” is the masculine form. So what I am saying is that one is making a great error in interpretation to assign the Attic Greek meanings large stone and small stone, which was used in ancient Greek poetic writings, when that language was gone for centuries in usage.

            Now, let us look at the Aramaic which is the familial language spoken by Jesus and the disciples which is the language which this discussion recorded in the Scriptures in Koine Greek occurred. We know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic because His words on the cross are in Aramaic (Matt 27:46). In fact, the book of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic according to most scholars including myself. Also in the St. Paul’s letters to the Galatians and to the Corinthians we see the word Cephas a total of eight times which is the English equivalent of kepha. Kepha always means rock. So, in Matthew 16:18 it would read using the Aramaic “You are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.” There is no big rock and pebble as evidence was given in the then dead Attic Greek. So in the original language Jesus does not offer a contrast but instead He clearly is calling Simon the rock.

            If one is not yet convinced that the rendering in Attic Greek is improper to let us look at Matthew 16:18 with the Attic Greek interpretation and see which one makes the most sense…. “Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven. And I tell you, you are just a little pebble and upon this rock, I will build my Church.” Instead of the Koine Greek “you are Rock (Petros) and upon this rock (Petros) I will build my Church. He goes on to give Simon Peter the keys to heaven showing the authority of the rock named Peter. As the King of Kings Jesus is making Peter His prime minister of His kingdom and we can see the foreshadowing from Isaiah 22: 21-22 and the leader of the flock from John 21:15-17. It shows in Isaiah the passing on of the keys from one to another for the authority of the kingdom just as the authority of the papacy is passed on.

          204. Cephas [N] [H] [S]
            a Syriac surname given by Christ to Simon ( John 1:42 ), meaning “rock.” The Greeks translated it by Petros, and the Latins by Petrus.

            These dictionary topics are from
            M.G. Easton M.A., D.D., Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Third Edition,
            published by Thomas Nelson, 1897. Public Domain, copy freely.

          205. What you are ignoring here in your attack against the Holy office ordained by Jesus personally is that this is a name change for the disciple named Simon. In Scriptures, name changes are significant in that in this case Jesus changes the name of Simon to “rock” or in the Koine Greek Petros which in English is spelled Peter. When Jesus changed Simons name to Peter or Rock He was referring to the enduring office being fulfilled by the prophecy of Isaiah in Isaiah 22. We can also see the example of the parable of the “wise builders”:

            Matthew 7:24-27 (KJV)

            24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

            25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

            26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

            27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

            Obviously, reading the Scriptures without prejudice, clearly teaches that St. Peter is indeed the “Rock” that Christ intended as Jesus in His construction vernacular makes St. Peter not only one of the 12 foundation stones but also the prime minister among the 12. Historically this appointment without exception has been recognized by the Church and the apostolic succession of the bishops as the first among equals with the special appointment as the first to hold the Holy office of prime minister that Christ ordained. This teaching is part of a greater teaching of our Lord about the Church where Jesus teaches that He is the cornerstone of the Church; St. Peter is His prime minister and one of the foundation stones of the Church and the 12 disciples are the foundation stones built upon through apostolic succession.

          206. golferbug says:

            Okay Dr.,
            I just looked up the meaning of the name Peter. It means “stone aka rock”.
            Thou art Peter and upon this ROCK I shall build my church.

          207. sandraleesmith46 says:

            That passage uses 2 different words for “rock”; the first, cephas, a small stone, is Peter; the second, Petra, is the Rock upon which the Church was to be built and that’s Jesus Christ, not Peter.

          208. Dr.Nelsion says:

            Oops, that name “rock” was a nick name giving to Peter by the Lord. Jesus Christ is the Rock. Not Peter. Peter was just an apostle chosen by Jesus. You are making Peter greater than the Lord Himself.
            In heaven Peter is just one of our brother; Jesus is the awesome ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          209. Your attempt at eisegesis is apparent to match your prejudice against Christ’s Church. You are showing a total lack of biblical scholarship.

          210. fred schramm says:

            the goat boar the sinAND THEY TOOK THE GO OUT TO THE WILDERNSS AND LET iT GO. IT WAS CALLED THE SCAPE GOAT.GOD DWELT AMONG THEM IN THE TEMPLE AND NOW HE DWELLS IN US

          211. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Partly; it’s an amalgam of many idolatrous systems including the RCC, Islam (surprise; the pope is embracing that now), and various paganisms. Pretty much all but Christianity and Judaism.

          212. Nonsense, As a former Protestant and a graduate of two Protestant seminaries Baptist and Methodist and having grown up in a city founded by Moravians where the city was practically one religion, Moravian; I can tell you that very few well educated theologians believe as you claim. The evidence is just too overwhelming to support such nonsense. To worship the blessed mother of God in the Catholic Church is condemning under Latae sententiae rules of the Church. That would be a cause of automatic excommunication from the Church.

          213. sandraleesmith46 says:

            I don’t know enough about the Moravian teachings to comment on them; but I DO know the Methodists have been “off the rails” in their teachings for decades and the Baptists, for the most part, joined them in recent decades, as well, opting to conform to the world rather than stand on the Word and Yhwh God’s laws. I also know virtually everything you’ve posted here is pure, unadulterated Catholic dogma, and NOT Scriptural at all. Oh, and then there was the agreement in the early ’30s among the Council of Churches in America and the globalists to stop teaching certain Scriptural tenets so as to lead their congregants into globalism, and the 1 world religion of the end times. Don’t suppose you know about that either. Luther was correct; the ONLY authority is God’s written Word; not your blog, or the extraneous Catholic teachings.

          214. Nonsense, most theologians do not believe as you claim. Jesus is indeed the founder of the Catholic Church with His words to St. Peter after St. Peter made his profession in Christ.

            Clearly in this instance Jesus is speaking to St. Peter in the presence of the other disciples and is in the process of changing Simon’s name to Peter. Throughout the Old Testament name changes are significant and most often represent a calling to special service to God. In this case Jesus is emphasizing the fact that Simon, being known as Peter, is the prime minister of His Church as prophesied.

            Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”

            Of course, this is the verse where our Lord appointed Simon as the leader of the disciples, head of the Church on earth and the Pope. It is believed by some Protestants that they can defend their position of Simon not receiving the authority from Jesus by using the original Greek.

            The claim made is that there is a difference between the Greek words “petra” and “petros”. Now, if this discussion between Jesus and Simon had occurred a few centuries earlier before Attic Greek had ceased to be and lost in antiquity it might be a valid argument. However, in the first century when this discussion occurred the Greek language was Koine Greek instead. In Koine Greek there is no difference in the meaning between “petra” and “petros” except in Koine Greek “petra” is feminine and “petros” is the masculine form. So what I am saying is that one is making a great error in interpretation to assign the Attic Greek meanings large stone and small stone, which was used in ancient Greek poetic writings, when that language was gone for centuries in usage.

            Now, let us look at the Aramaic which is the familial language spoken by Jesus and the disciples which is the language which this discussion recorded in the Scriptures in Koine Greek occurred. We know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic because His words on the cross are in Aramaic (Matt 27:46). In fact, the book of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic according to most scholars including myself. Also in the St. Paul’s letters to the Galatians and to the Corinthians we see the word Cephas a total of eight times which is the English equivalent of kepha. Kepha always means rock. So, in Matthew 16:18 it would read using the Aramaic “You are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.” There is no big rock and pebble as evidence was given in the then dead Attic Greek. So in the original language Jesus does not offer a contrast but instead He clearly is calling Simon the rock.

            If one is not yet convinced that the rendering in Attic Greek is improper let us look at Matthew 16:18 with the Attic Greek interpretation and see which one makes the most sense…. “Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father in heaven. And I tell you, you are just a little pebble and upon this rock I will build my Church.” Instead of the Koine Greek “you are Rock (Petros) and upon this rock (petros) I will build my Church. He goes on to give Simon Peter the keys to heaven showing the authority of the rock named Peter. As the King of Kings Jesus is making Peter His prime minister of His kingdom and we can see the foreshadowing from Isaiah 22: 21-22 and the leader of the flock from John 21:15-17. It shows in Isaiah the passing on of the keys from one to another for authority of the kingdom just as the authority of the papacy is passed on.

          215. Catholics do NOT worship the blessed mother of God. Catholics are forbidden to worship anyone but God in the Trinity.

          216. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Whenever you pray to anyone that’s WORSHIP! Sorry; and the rosary compounds it badly. Then there’s the notion that she’s “co- redemptrix” with Jesus; as IF any human could possibly be our savior! Oh and that’s STRAIGHT out of RCC Catechism!

          217. That refers to the blessed mother saying yes to God to bear the Savior of the World. She cooperated with God’s plan for the redemption of mankind.

          218. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Revelations 2 and 3 both are the 7 letters to the 7 churches in western Asia, and have nothing to do with the Roman church; they represent the 7 stages of the Church as a whole as well. I believe you’re thinking of Revelation 12.

          219. Jesus prayed for unity in his Church the Catholic Church. The Bible calls the Church the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. You are spreading lies and disunity when God prayed that we all be one in unity in His Church the Catholic Church. Should we believe your apostate self or Jesus . I choose Jesus.
            The book of Revelation in no way supports your evil contentions.

            To help you out the “whore” you refer to in Scriptures is Pagan Rome and not the Church founded by Christ.

          220. The whore is Pagan Rome and not the Church founded by Jesus.

          221. You are reading into the Bible conclusions that the Bible does not make. The “whore ” refers to Pagan Rome and not Christ’s Church the Catholic Church.

          222. Woody says:

            Which asylum do you think he is writing from; he could injure himself with a pen!

          223. Revelations refers to Pagan Rome and not Christ’s Church, the Catholic Church.

          224. Correct, Christ’s Church is NOT a denomination but the original Church Jesus founded and prayed that all who are His be one in unity within. If you are Christian and not Catholic then you are not in Jesus’ stated will for those who are His.

          225. Dr.Nelsion says:

            Jesus has a church which has nothing to do with the RCC.,
            Read the book of revelation under the word “Whore”; that’s the RCC.
            Jesus stated in Rev 3; to the church of Tyatira; come out of HER(RCC) read it for yourself and tremble.

          226. Ther is one Church founded by Christ with his promises of an enduring Church. Jesus never endorsed any other. That Church is undeniably the Catholic Church which the Bible calls the “pillar and foundation of the truth”.

          227. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Jesus never once “founded” a church; HE came to call the Jews back to Yhwh God! At most, He told the Gospel to a handful of non-Jews. It was only AFTER His resurrection that the Church was formed.

          228. Woody says:

            You are arguing with someone who has 60 times you education – stop embarrassin yourself-it only shows you have never read the Bible which was written a approved by Catholics.

          229. sandraleesmith46 says:

            All you got was “indoctrinated” obviously, and I have read the Bible through, cover to cover in over a dozen different translations; 2 of which were Douay-Reims approved versions. I keep 1 in my Kindle, in fact.

          230. Actually Jesus did found his Church the Catholic Church. The biblical evidence is overwhelming.

            You have a much broader interpretation than what is taught in the Scriptures. I assume you have made this interpretation broadly and eisegetically to include your own man made sect to be the to be a part of the Church spoken of in the Scriptures but the Scriptures do not support in any way such eisegesis. Instead, the Bible is very specific on what constitutes the true Church founded by Christ. The Church is not impossible to know with assurance from Christ that you suggest but instead the Bible is very clear in recording the fact that Jesus established His New Covenant Church within His Kingdom established from the cross.
            Let us look at the teaching of our Lord about His Church. Using construction vernacular He said that He was the King, High Priest, and Cornerstone of the Church. The beginning of a firm/solid/ foundation is always the cornerstone which holds together the elements of the construction.
            He appointed St. Peter as the prime minister of the Church fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah that the Messiah would ordain an enduring office of prime minister and that that prime minister would be given the keys to the kingdom. This is exactly what He did when appointing St. Peter. The keys represented his office and the authority of that office which was to have the power of the king in ministering to the kingdom and the authority to teach and proclaim the will of the king. (Isa 22:20-25)
            The disciples are called the 12 foundation stones (Rev 21:14) of the Church continuing illustrating the permanence of what God is building. It is not a foundation of sand that is temporary but is of an enduring nature to last until the Parousia and strong enough to withstand the tumultuous attacks of hell that would surely attempt to prevail against the Church using every method of attack from within and from without. Even the world would hate that which our Lord had built just as it hated Him. This enduring leadership is the foundation of a Church that can truly be called the “pillar and foundation of the truth” because that which Christ has ordained shall never pass away or be absorbed into the world but will for all time remain heavenly as the ark for humanity where all may be saved just as the ark of Noah was the type for the Church which must endure within the evil of the world to bring the faithful into the promised land of heaven.
            Last of all, the Church stands as testimony to the veracity of Christ and His promises to humanity. The Church is the fulfillment of Scriptures in its enduring quality as well as it being that pillar or bulwark of truth in a world filled with lies, temptation and sins that will murder souls to Christ and decrease the harvest. Its unity in His will with faith and oneness of its mission to proclaim the Gospel after 2000 years is a miracle in itself but also it proclaims the divinity of our Lord where in His prophetic vision, competence of His leadership as the builder of His Church and His promises of His Church makes it truly a city on a hill that cannot be hid (Mat 5:14) frustrating its detractors and more truly the “gates of hell”.
            “I CORINTHIANS 12:28 (KJV)
            And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
            The composition of the true Church came from God, the persons, the offices, and their functions are all God ordained. The words or names that describe the person that comprise the Church came from God, like the words apostles, prophets, and teachers. This is the Church established or created by the Lord! This is the true Church, the recipient of the promise and guarantee of the Creator that “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”!”
            Indeed! All authority was given to the apostles from Christ and at least some of that special authority is recorded in Scripture and is certainly attested to by the ante Nicene fathers.
            There is no doubt that the apostles knew that their ministry would survive their death as it was needed to be a permanent living presence until the Parousia.
            (Mat 28:20 DRB) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
            Knowing their responsibility in preserving the teaching of Christ they ordained successors giving them the gift of the Spirit with Episcopal consecration:
            (Act 1:8 DRB) But you shall receive the power of the Holy Ghost coming upon you, and you shall be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the uttermost part of the earth.
            (Act 2:4 DRB) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost: and they began to speak with divers tongues, according as the Holy Ghost gave them to speak.
            (Joh 20:22 DRB) When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
            (Joh 20:23 DRB) Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
            (1Ti 4:14 DRB) Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood.
            (2Ti 1:6 DRB) For which cause I admonish thee that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee by the imposition of my hands.
            (2Ti 1:7 DRB) For God hath not given us the spirit of fear: but of power and of love and of sobriety.
            There is no doubt that “Apostolic Succession” is a historical fact. Scriptures, as well show clearly that Christ chose these apostles and commissioned them to establish and continue his work with his authority and they ordained successors. It is Apostolic Succession that is the link connecting the Church to Christ. It is the authority from Christ of the Episcopacy that brings so many knowledgeable people to return to the Catholic faith as I am a witness.
            We see those who were ordained in apostolic succession fulfilling their ministry:
            (Act 20:28 DRB) Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood.
            (1Th 1:1 DRB) Paul and Sylvanus and Timothy to the church of the Thessalonians: in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ.
            (1Th 1:2 DRB) Grace be to you and peace. We give thanks to God always for you all: making a remembrance of you in our prayers without ceasing,
            (1Th 1:3 DRB) Being mindful of the work of your faith and labour and charity: and of the enduring of the hope of our Lord Jesus Christ before God and our Father.
            (1Th 1:4 DRB) Knowing, brethren, beloved of God, your election:
            (1Th 1:5 DRB) For our gospel hath not been unto you in word only, but in power also: and in the Holy Ghost and in much fulness, as you know what manner of men we have been among you for your sakes.
            (1Th 1:6 DRB) And you became followers of us and of the Lord: receiving the word in much tribulation, with joy of the Holy Ghost:
            (1Th 1:7 DRB) So that you were made a pattern to all that believe in Macedonia and in Achaia.
            1Th 1:8 DRB) For from you was spread abroad the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and in Achaia but also in every place: your faith which is towards God, is gone forth, so that we need not to speak any thing.
            (1Th 1:9 DRB) For they themselves relate of us, what manner of entering in we had unto you: and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God.
            (1Th 1:10 DRB) And to wait for his Son from heaven (whom he raised up from the dead), Jesus, who hath delivered us from the wrath to come.
            (2Ti 1:6 DRB) For which cause I admonish thee that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee by the imposition of my hands.
            (Tit 1:5 DRB) For this cause I left thee in Crete: that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:
            (Tit 1:6 DRB) If any be without crime, the husband of one wife. having faithful children, not accused of riot or unruly.
            (Tit 1:7 DRB) For a bishop must be without crime, as the steward of God: not proud, not subject to anger, nor given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre:
            (Tit 1:8 DRB) But given to hospitality, gentle, sober, just, holy, continent:
            (Tit 1:9 DRB) Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine and to convince the gainsayers.
            (1Ti 4:14 DRB) Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood.
            (2Ti 1:6 DRB) For which cause I admonish thee that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee by the imposition of my hands.
            St. Paul goes on to instruct St. Timothy as to who is a qualified candidate for ordination:
            (1Ti 3:1 DRB) A faithful saying: If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth good work.
            (1Ti 3:2 DRB) It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher,
            (1Ti 3:3 DRB) Not given to wine, no striker, but modest, not quarrelsome, not covetous, but
            (1Ti 3:4 DRB) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity.
            (1Ti 3:5 DRB) But if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?
            (1Ti 3:6 DRB) Not a neophyte: lest, being puffed up with pride, he fall into the judgment of the devil.
            (1Ti 3:7 DRB) Moreover, he must have a good testimony of them who are without: lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
            (1Ti 5:22 DRB) Impose not hands lightly upon any man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins. Keep thyself chaste.
            We also find in the Scriptures that those in Apostolic Succession had particular and varied duties:
            (1Co 12:27 DRB) Now you are the body of Christ and members of member.
            (1Co 12:28 DRB) And God indeed hath set some in the church; first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly doctors: after that miracles: then the graces of healings, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches.
            (1Co 12:29 DRB) Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all doctors?
            (Eph 4:11 DRB) And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors:
            (Eph 4:12 DRB) For the perfecting of the saints, for the word of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
            We are further reminded of the foundation of the Church:
            (Eph 2:19 DRB) Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners: but you are fellow citizens with the saints and the domestics of God,
            (Eph 2:20 DRB) Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:
            This is only some of the Scriptures speaking of apostolic succession and the duties, need and authority of the office.
            MATTHEW 16:18 (KJV)
            And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

          231. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus personally. Our Orthodox brothers rightfully coined this statement, “We know where the Church is but not where the Church is not”. The Church founded by Jesus is the Church founded on Christ as the cornerstone and the high priest, St. Peter and his successors as the prime minister and the rock, and the disciples as the 12 foundation stones built upon by apostolic succession. St. Ignatius the disciple of St. Peter and St. John defined the Church in the first century in his letter to the Smyrnaeans thusly, where the bishop is there is the Church. The members of the Church are the invisible Church.

          232. David in MA says:

            You mention “Whore”, do you recall the “Whore who sits on the 7 hills”?
            The Vatican in Rome sits on 7 hills, does it not?

          233. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Exactly; Rome is the ONLY city, ancient and modern alike associated with “7 hills”.

          234. Finally we agree on something.

          235. No the Vatican does not sit on seven hills. That would be Pagan Rome.

          236. David in MA says:

            I rest my case.

          237. Are you admitting that you have no case?

          238. Unsupportable nonsense! You are in support of the apostate sects of which there are tens of thousands and not one of them is Christ’s Church. That can only be the Catholic Church according to Scripture. An attack on Christ’s Church is a attack directly on Christ’s veracity as our Savior.

          239. Dr.Nelsion says:

            Stubbornness is like the sin of witchcraft!!!
            Read the book of revelation for yourself;God will burn it..and the smoke of her fire will reach the heavens..
            God is not attacking your “WHORE-CHURCH, He’s only burning it.
            Grab some pop corn and enjoy the view.
            Holy greetings.

          240. I hear vague accusations frequently from some of the members of the so-called “restoration churches” and others such as the Baptists and the Seventh Day Adventists, always without substance or supporting evidence, that Christ’s Church, the Catholic Church, has fallen into apostasy. There is no evidence at all that this happened, either Biblical or historical.

            One of the things that bother me the most about such egregious claims is it attacks the veracity of Christ’s teaching and that of the apostles. It supposes Jesus to be a liar and a pretender as the Messiah. It denies His divinity and makes many of His statements and teaching blasphemous. The Bible clearly states that Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church, yet many claim that it has and the Church has fallen into apostasy.

            (Mat 16:18 DRB) And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock, I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

            It would seem that some believe that Jesus was incompetent when building His church with Himself as the cornerstone and the disciples as the foundation and that it fell into apostasy. Jesus built His Church upon the rock with a foundation to last for all time. Here is what Jesus answered to these claims

            (Luk 6:47 DRB) Every one that cometh to me and heareth my words and doth them, I will shew you to whom he is like.

            (Luk 6:48 DRB) He is like to a man building a house, who digged deep and laid the foundation upon a rock. And when a flood came, the stream beat vehemently upon that house: and it could not shake it: for it was founded on a rock.

            (Luk 6:49 DRB) But he that heareth and doth not is like to a man building his house upon the earth without a foundation: against which the stream beat vehemently. And immediately it fell: and the ruin of that house was great.

            They even suggest that the disciples of the apostles were the ones responsible for that apostasy. He said that through the apostolic succession that the church would be led to all truth.

            (Joh 14:26 DRB) But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.

            The Scriptures teach that Christ will be with His Church at all times…

            (Mat 28:20 DRB) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

            Jesus is not a liar. His promises to His Church are true and it will endure for all time as the ark of truth for humanity against the evil and temptations of the world.

          241. Nonsense! Jesus did not establish His Church to have the Bible to attack it. You seem to be biblically and theologically ignorant. Is that your purpose here?

          242. Unscholarly, prejudicial nonsense!

          243. Unsupportable Nonsense!

          244. Uneducated nonsense on your part.

          245. Eisegetical Nonsense!

          246. Woody says:

            Nelsion – is no doctor…

          247. Woody says:

            Right “the “universal” (found everywhere) Church of Jesus Christ.” 300 Years? So I guess WWII never happened since it is only in history books – Rubbish!
            You are right though it is NOT a “Denomination” – To be a “Demonation” there has to be more than ONE. And, as Jesus is ONE He only needed ONE Church, not 40,000 Prot churces around today all teaching opposite teachins which we know from Aristotle the Father of Logic, “opposites cannot be true at the same time.” And God gave no human the right to establish any church since He was fully capable to create His own Church which He did.

          248. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Jesus didn’t found ANY “church” least of all the Roman church; He was preaching the Kingdom of God to His fellow Jews only. None of the apostles founded that church either, which is probably why it got so far off the tracks so early on! It was already well established when Paul wrote the letter to the Romans and even more so when he got there, while Peter was still in Jerusalem and Judea. The Church isn’t the churches; any of the Protestant denominations or the RCC; it’s the body of those who are saved by the blood shed at Calvary and have repented their sins.

          249. fred schramm says:

            Read Babylon Mistery Religion or better yet read the catholic cannon and see how it is opposed to the bible. The catholic churh is a work religion. And no one gets saved by doing good works You are saved by grace through faith.

          250. sandraleesmith46 says:

            He just said they fudged it, and rightly so; they did “cook” the books on that. There was 1 Church under 12 patriarchs until at least well into the 2nd century, when the Roman patriarch decided he should be the “supreme leader” and the others disagreed.

          251. shamu9 says:

            The Roman Catholic Church and the Byzantine (Greek Orthodox) “Catholic” Church! Both are still here! The Roman Empire was Split into two separate empires. The Roman and Byzantine Empires!

          252. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Yeah, I just explained why that split in the Church.

          253. “Catholic” simply means “universal”.

          254. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Yes, Holy Catholic is NOT Roman Catholic.

          255. The name of Christ’s Church is simply “Catholic”. It just happened to be established in Rome by St. Peter.

          256. LarryMH47 says:

            The first 19 bishops of Rome were martyred. But they followed the Way, not a politically inspired religion designed by Constantine to unify his kingdom.

          257. Constantine had nothing to do with the founding of the Catholic Church. Constantine was an Arian and not at all Christian.

          258. Sharon Jeanguenat says:

            Amen!!

          259. scrubbie says:

            Christ’s “church” was his followers. And the word Catholic means all-encompassing or all-embracing. Then man decided to turn it into a giant profitable entity, and that’s when a lot of Christ’s teachings got diluted and polluted.

          260. LarryMH47 says:

            Elegant as usual. A pity you have no facts to back up your spurious claim.

          261. No name nut case says:

            Individuals who believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, to be specific, regardless of to which denomination one belongs.

          262. Historically you are completely inaccurate. Jesus said that on the rock of St. Peter he will build his Church and He did not lie but did so. There is no evidence that the Church is as inclusive as you claim. In fact the opposite, Jesus said in prayer to His Father, “Let them be one as you and I are one”. This was a prayer for unity in His Church and not the schismatic departure from unity exemplified by the Protestants. To not be Catholic is to be outside of God’s stated will. There is no doubt that the Church was founded by Jesus in the first century and NOT 300 years later. Your claims illustrate tantamount ignorance of the Bible and of Church history.

          263. LarryMH47 says:

            Grammatically you are completely inaccurate. Jesus said, ‘You are Peter (little stone or pebble), and on this (Simon’s statement) ROCK (different word denoting large stone) I will build My Church.’ Even the Pope admits that all Christian churches are included in Jesus’ Church. ”
            The document said Orthodox churches were indeed “churches” because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed “many elements of sanctification and of truth.” But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope — a defect, or a “wound” that harmed them, it said.” http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19692094/ns/world_news-europe/t/pope-other-denominations-not-true-churches/#.WS3nm5LysdU

          264. Unscholarly Nonsense…

            The claim made is that there is a difference between the Greek words “Petra” and “Petros”. Now, if this discussion between Jesus and Simon had occurred a few centuries earlier before Attic Greek had ceased to be and lost in antiquity it might be a valid argument. However, in the first century when this discussion occurred the Greek language was Koine Greek instead. In Koine Greek, there is no difference in the meaning between “Petra” and “Petros” except in Koine Greek “petra” is feminine and “Petros” is the masculine form. So what I am saying is that one is making a great error in interpretation to assign the Attic Greek meanings large stone and small stone, which was used in ancient Greek poetic writings, when that language was gone for centuries in usage.

            Now, let us look at the Aramaic which is the familial language spoken by Jesus and the disciples which are the language which this discussion recorded in the Scriptures in Koine Greek occurred. We know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic because His words on the cross are in Aramaic (Matt 27:46). In fact, the book of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic according to most scholars including myself. Also in the St. Paul’s letters to the Galatians and to the Corinthians we see the word, Cephas, a total of eight times which is the English equivalent of kepha. Kepha always means rock. So, in Matthew 16:18 it would read using the Aramaic “You are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.” There is no big rock and pebble as evidence was given in the then dead Attic Greek. So in the original language, Jesus does not offer a contrast but instead, He clearly is calling Simon the rock.

            If one is not yet convinced that the rendering in Attic Greek is improper to let us look at Matthew 16:18 with the Attic Greek interpretation and see which one makes the most sense…. “Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven. And I tell you, you are just a little pebble and upon this rock, I will build my Church.” Instead of the Koine Greek “you are Rock (Petros) and upon this rock (Petros) I will build my Church. He goes on to give Simon Peter the keys to heaven showing the authority of the rock named Peter. As the King of Kings Jesus is making Peter His prime minister of His kingdom and we can see the foreshadowing from Isaiah 22: 21-22 and the leader of the flock from John 21:15-17. It shows in Isaiah the passing on of the keys from one to another for the authority of the kingdom just as the authority of the papacy is passed on.

          265. LarryMH47 says:

            And yet just a few verses later, Jesus calls the ‘rock’ with the ‘keys’ Satan, and tells him to get away from him. Must have been defective keys…

          266. No name nut case says:

            The true church consists of believers in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. The true church has no walls. The true church is the believers! The members of the body of Christ!

          267. Really, the whole book of Acts chronicles the formation of the Church from Pentecost through the first few decades. The Bible says that Jesus founded the Church with Himself as the cornerstone and the disciples as the twelve foundation stones. Are you catching on to the construction vernacular here? Jesus changed the name of Simon to Petros (Rock) and said upon this Petros (Rock) I will build my Church. We see this happen from Pentecost onward in the book of Acts.

            Jesus meant for there to be a visible Church built on the teaching that He had given to the disciples and we see by the ordination of Mathias to replace Judas and the taking of disciples by the twelve and ordaining these disciples as bishops, priests and deacons before sending them to preach the Gospel. Around the beginning of the 2nd century there were disciples of the original twelve in the Bishoprics originally founded by the apostles. One of those was St. Ignatius who was the disciple of two of the twelve. He was the disciple of both St. Peter and of St. John and was the third bishop of Antioch, St. Peter having been the first. It is believed that his ordination was by St. Peter. He was trained at the same time and by the same disciples as St. Polycarp.

            In his epistle to the Trallians on his way to Rome to be martyred by being eaten by beasts he said the following in chapter 3:

            “In like manner, let all reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the presbyters as the sanhedrim of God, and assembly of the apostles. Apart from these, there is no Church.”

            In his epistle to the Smyreans He described the Catholic Church thusly:

            “Where the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic church.”

            When these epistles were written there was no New Testament and all the teaching was from the Bishops, Presbytors and Deacons of the Church

            These letters were written in the year 107 AD

          268. Tallulah Cusati says:

            cristoiglesia, I do NOT believe that as long as this pope, is the, ‘pope’, that the Catholic Church is the Church of, ‘Jesus’.

          269. sandraleesmith46 says:

            ‘Scuse me, but Jesus didn’t “found” the Roman Catholic church; not even His direct apostles did so! Read the Book of the Acts of the Apostles, written by Dr Luke who was traveling around with them. We have NO information on who did found that church, but it was well established before Paul ever got there, and Peter was still in Jerusalem and Judea at that time.

          270. Actually Jesus did directly upon “Peter, called the “Rock” by Jesus. Here is a link to my writing on this topic to another doubter of Christ’s Church:

            http://fiatvolvntastua.blogspot.com/search/label/Understanding%20the%20Church

          271. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Hot news flash for you; PETER was the little stone, NOT the Rock on which the Church was to be built; Yhwh God was never such a fool as to rely on any man’s faith for that project; Jesus is the Rock of both the old and new Testaments, and upon which the Church would be built, but He didn’t do that building. Do try reading the whole Bible for yourself, absent your preconceptions, if you can.

          272. Nonsense and total eisegesis on your part.

          273. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Not true. READ what the whole Bible has to say about that Rock; and for the record, I’m not the only one who sees that in the very scriptures themselves.

          274. Here is my response to the same criticism:

            http://fiatvolvntastua.blogspot.com/search/label/Understanding%20the%20Church

            Most heretics would agree with you because if they do not it illustrates their own apostasy.

          275. I have and found you to be woefully misinformed by your teachers or your prejudice. “Thou art Petros and upon this Petros I will build my Church.” It could not be more clear and directly from Jesus for all accept who are his. By denying his Church you proclaim not to be one of Christ’s faithful. Jesus said, ” let them be one as you and I are one” when talking to the disciples. Jesus was not asking for disunity but for unity under his name for all who are His. I never said you were the only one to reject Christ’s Church but you are the one Christ brought to me to minister before. It is my calling to go after souls for Christ whether it is one like yours or a congregation. Jesus wants all that are his to come to him through His Church, the Catholic Church. You have been blessed, Jesus put us together to reach out to you and bring you home to His Church.

          276. Jesus was referring to the solid faith in Christ of St. Peter. I am a former Protestant turned Catholic. In this instance “rock” refers to the solid faith of St. Peter. It is biblically as well as historically proven.

            I have read the Bible in many languages as a Protestant and as a Catholic and the Bible is clear that the Church is founded on the solid rock of faith of St. Peter.

          277. Nonsense, your eisegesis is ridiculous and unscholarly.

          278. Woody says:

            Hotter news for you “Little stone is in the “Greek” not Aramaic; Aramaic where it is “Rock” and Jesus did not speak Greek to the Apostles (although he did know the language) He spoke only Aramaic to the twelve. “Thou art Peter and upon this Peter I will build my Church. (Jesus changed his name from Simon to Peter since he knew it meant Rock. Nothing about a “building” – a Church is first and foremost a human organization.

          279. sandraleesmith46 says:

            That passage reads upon this Petra I will build my Church; not upon this cephas.

          280. No, what you believe is false teaching and cannot be scholastically supported. What you are doing is called eisegesis.

          281. sandraleesmith46 says:

            It’s supported by the BIBLE itself! When you pull something out of the context of the WHOLE and build a belief on it, that’s in error. The Rock of Ages is the same Rock upon Whom the Church is built; the Rock David prophesied about in the OT, in his Psalms.

          282. Elephant says:

            You need to reread your bible. Of course, if you are reading a Protestant bible, that might explain your ignorance.

          283. sandraleesmith46 says:

            See my post above.

          284. Woody says:

            Yes, her bible is missing 7 books. Luther held up his Bible and said “The Bible is “inerant.” Then he proceeded to tear out 7 books and throw them away. Wha? So much for inerrant???

          285. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Those 7 books didn’t contain anything in support of Christianity or your allegations. I’ve read them. Frankly, the book of Enoch, which y’all rejected, seems to fit better and it’s not perfect.

          286. You do not know the history of the Church nor do you know what is taught in the Bible about the Church.

            http://fiatvolvntastua.blogspot.com/search/label/Understanding%20the%20Church

          287. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Have YOU ever actually READ the Bible through in total? I have, more than a dozen times in that many different translations; including Douay-Reims approved versions. So did Martin Luther; which was why he first tried to reform the RCC , and failing that, established the Lutheran church, which has since strayed egregiously from the Bible as well. As for history, I prefer mine to not be corrupted and revised.

          288. After I got my PhD from Duke Divinity my first job was as a Bible translator working for Wycliffe. I translated the Koine Greek New Testament into modern Aramaic. I can read the Bible in all its original languages. I have taught Early Church History , OT Studies, Latin and Patristics in a Jesuit Seminary.

          289. sandraleesmith46 says:

            In that case, you’re too deeply steeped in RCC traditions; because you either didn’t understand what you were reading and translating or deliberately filtered it through the lens of RCC dogma.

          290. I went to Duke Divinity which is a Methodist Seminary to get my PhD. At the time, I was an anti-Catholic. I came to understand perfectly what the Bible teaches by God’s grace. BTW, my Mdiv is from Southeastern Baptist Seminary. Here is a link to my conversion story:

            http://fiatvolvntastua.blogspot.com/2009/06/resisting-his-will-and-his-church.html

          291. What? I was a Protestant for decades before becoming Catholic. All of my former training was in Protestant Seminaries and I went to two of the best.

          292. Nonsense, my background is of being a Protestant and was trained at a Baptist and a Methodist Seminary. I grew up as a Moravian. If anything it was filtered through the lens of Protestantism not Catholicism. But, as an academic, I strive to not have such prejudices and thankfully, I have the background academically in biblical studies and biblical languages not to fall into prejudice but rely on the facts and proper exegetical disciplines rather than eisegesis as is common among Protestants.

          293. What? I was a Moravian at the time which was the first Protestant Church. A translator is restricted into taking the original language and translating it into the vernacular language. All of the translators I have known have been very careful not to depart from the original meaning of the text within the restriction of the destination language.

          294. Woody says:

            You’re so overpowering her it has become amusing and it shows the differerence is education.

          295. Indeed, I have and in fact my first job out of seminary was translating the Koine Greek NT into modern Aramaic. Fortunately through my studies I do not have to read translations. Martin Luther was a Christian heretic and a despotic individual.

          296. Indeed and in the original languages.

          297. Woody says:

            Jus proves you have never read the Bible (” no prooof”) By the way, Peter was the first Bishop of Antioch before moving to Rome. google it

          298. According to Jesus as recorded in Scriptures Jesus founded the Church on the faith of St. Peter. Upon this Rock (Simon Peter) I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.

            Why Peter Was The Only One Whose Name Was Changed
            _______________________________________________
            Fr. Gustavo Lopez
            During these holy days of Lent we will continue with the message on
            Apologetics. And the message in this year of faith is, “Why Peter was the
            only one whose name Jesus changed.” Jesus changes Simon’s name
            indicating a new identity and a new mission in the life of Peter. This
            change is made in the first encounter of Jesus with Simon. What an
            interesting detail, “in the first encounter”. Scripture tells us, “Jesus looked at
            him intently and said, “You are Simon, the son of John; you will be called
            Kephas (which means stone, rock). (Jn. 1:42). And what will be Peter’s
            mission; to be rock and upon this rock the Lord will build his Church. We
            know that Jesus is the rock but, he gives Peter the mission to be rock; to be
            his representative. The Vicar on this earth to shepherd the flock. (Jn.
            21:17). But, only Peter is the rock, according to his office. Along with the
            new name comes a new ministry in the life of Peter, that of a leader. The
            only time where we encounter Jesus changing a name is in the New
            Testament in the case of Peter, only Peter and no one else. And why did he
            change his name if Jesus was not changing the names of the disciples. If
            Jesus did this it was to change the situation in the person’s life. Let me
            explain. In the Old Testament God changes Abrams name to Abraham
            (Gen.15:7) because, he would be the father of many nations. The same
            with Sarai. Her name would be Sarah for she would be the mother of all the
            kings of nations. (Gen. 17:16). We can see clearly how there was a new
            identity and a new mission in both cases of the name change.
            The same happens with Simon. Jesus gathers with his disciples at
            Cesarea of Philipi and asks, “And you, who do you say that I am?” Peter
            responds for the twelve. “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
            (Mt.16:15-16). Jesus changes Peter’s name to make him see his new office
            in the Church; a leader, the head of the Catholic Church. Whether it is liked
            or not. This is what the Lord said. The Almighty. If Jesus changes Peter’s
            name it is for a reason. The question being, would it make sense to
            change Peter’s name to rock and then later refer to another rock distinct of
            Peter? And why the distinction with Peter and not Abraham if his name was
            also changed? Who then is the “Rock”, in (Mt 16:18). Peter or Jesus?
            Peter comes from the Aramaic, “Kephas”, which means stone,
            rock. Christ also identifies himself as the rock. But, here is a very
            interesting detail that we will differentiate. When Jesus is referred in the
            Gospels as the “Rock”, the Greek term, “Acroniagos”, is used; which
            means “Cornerstone”. Clearly, there is no doubt that Christ is the
            cornerstone. But, the bible text in (Mt.16:18) does not refer to that. Yes, it
            is true. Christ is the cornerstone of the spiritual temple. Peter is the visible
            rock of his Church, this is the difference. (1Pt. 2:4-8). If we accept the
            Protestants’ idea that Jesus was referring to himself in building his Church,
            in himself; the result then is meaningless to have given Peter the name,
            Rock. The question is, why did he change his name? The context in the
            bible does not reveal Christ referring to himself but, to Peter. And also, in all
            the other passages in the bible where God changes the name; He does it
            with a purpose of new ministry in the life of the person. The same happens
            here with Peter. When the Lord says, “And upon this rock I will build my
            Church.” It is gramatically clear that the rock is not Him, but, Peter.
            The Prostestants use the Greek text with the word, “Peter” to confuse the
            people. They say, “You are Petros, Small rock,
            And on this Petra, large rock, I will build my Church.” They say Peter is the
            small rock and Jesus is the large rock. But, the point is that Jesus did not
            speak Greek, but, Aramaic, which was His language. Jesus called Peter,
            “Kephas”, which means rock. Jesus should have said, “You are “Kephas”
            and upon this “Kephas” I will build my Church. It is without a doubt here,
            that Peter will be the rock on whom the Lord will build his Church. Because,
            in Aramaic there is no distinction on Peter and rock. Besides, there are no
            small and large rocks in Aramaic. There is only one rock and not two. And
            that rock is “Kephas”. There is not a doubt that Christ pronounced
            (Mt.16:18) in Aramaic. Because, all of the Gospel of Matthew was written in
            that language and was later translated to Greek. Unfortunately, the
            originals were lost but, the studies on the Bible speak of an Aramaic
            Matthew.
            We cannot call Petros-Kephas due to questions of gender. Because, they
            are two words with different meanings. Petro in Greek is a feminine name
            and Peter is a masculine name. Those who make a distinction between
            Petro and Petra are mistaken. Besides, it is not true in saying that Petro
            and Petra signify small and large rock. Because, the word, small rock, in
            Greek is Lithos not Petros. In Aramaic, small rock does not mean Kekas
            but, Evna. And Peter never appears to be called, Evnas, but Kephas.
            Therefore, the result is evident that Jesus is referring to Peter. That is why
            St. Paul refers to Peter as Kephas for the simple reason being that Peter is
            the Rock. (1Cor. 1:12, 3,22; 9,5; 15,5). St. Paul does not call “Peter- Petro”
            as our Protestant brothers do; nor, “small rock”, but “Kephas”, “stone-rock”.
            St. Paul recognizes that Peter is the leader, the head of the twelve. St. Paul
            recognizes Peter’s authority, his leadership.
            Jesus changes Peter’s name to tend and pastor the sheep. The lamb and
            sheep represent the flock of Christ, which is the Church. To tend means
            to guide in the Bible.
            The flock of the Lord cannot remain orphan and without a Pastor. That is
            why the Lord chooses a leader to continue his mission as Pastor. That is
            why Peter is the only one among the Twelve whose name is changed by
            Jesus. Blessed Kephas. Blessed stone. Blessed rock. Blessed Peter.
            Give unto us a Pope of thine own Heart. Amen.

            http://www.stboniface.org/media/1/7/Why%20Peter%20Was%20The%20Only%20One%20Whose%20Name%20Was%20Changed.pdf

          299. Indeed Jesus did when He spoke to Simon and changed his name to Peter meaning “rock” St. Peter and said

            Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my Church.”

            Of course, this is the verse where our Lord appointed Simon as the leader of the disciples, head of the Church on earth and the Pope. It is believed by some Protestants that they can defend their position of Simon not receiving the authority from Jesus by using the original Greek.

            The claim made is that there is a difference between the Greek words “petra” and “petros”. Now, if this discussion between Jesus and Simon had occurred a few centuries earlier before Attic Greek had ceased to be and lost in antiquity it might be a valid argument. However, in the first century when this discussion occurred the Greek language was Koine Greek instead. In Koine Greek there is no difference in the meaning between “petra” and “petros” except in Koine Greek “petra” is feminine and “petros” is the masculine form. So what I am saying is that one is making a great error in interpretation to assign the Attic Greek meanings large stone and small stone, which was used in ancient Greek poetic writings, when that language was gone for centuries in usage.

            Now, let us look at the Aramaic which is the familial language spoken by Jesus and the disciples which is the language which this discussion recorded in the Scriptures in Koine Greek occurred. We know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic because His words on the cross are in Aramaic (Matt 27:46). In fact, the book of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic according to most scholars including myself. Also in the St. Paul’s letters to the Galatians and to the Corinthians we see the word Cephas a total of eight times which is the English equivalent of kepha. Kepha always means rock. So, in Matthew 16:18 it would read using the Aramaic “You are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.” There is no big rock and pebble as evidence was given in the then dead Attic Greek. So in the original language Jesus does not offer a contrast but instead He clearly is calling Simon the rock.

            If one is not yet convinced that the rendering in Attic Greek is improper let us look at Matthew 16:18 with the Attic Greek interpretation and see which one makes the most sense…. “Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father in heaven. And I tell you, you are just a little pebble and upon this rock I will build my Church.” Instead of the Koine Greek “you are Rock (Petros) and upon this rock (petros) I will build my Church. He goes on to give Simon Peter the keys to heaven showing the authority of the rock named Peter. As the King of Kings Jesus is making Peter His prime minister of His kingdom and we can see the foreshadowing from Isaiah 22: 21-22 and the leader of the flock from John 21:15-17. It shows in Isaiah the passing on of the keys from one to another for authority of the kingdom just as the authority of the papacy is passed on.

          300. Elephant says:

            “You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it and I will be with you until the end of times”.

          301. fred schramm says:

            read my reply to elephant forgive the typos

          302. Sorry, but your answer was a display of ignorance and prejudice rather than sound scholarship. You deny St. Peter to defend your apostasy.

          303. Sharon Jeanguenat says:

            He did NOT build the Catholic church on that rock. Christ is the ROCK of my salvation, & anybody that follows Him, is part of His Church.

          304. golferbug says:

            So please explain the meaning of You art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church.

          305. fred schramm says:

            Jesus asked Peter who do you say I am . Peter replied THE CHRIST. JESUS then said flesh and blood have not revealed it to you. Upon this rock refers to Peters admission of faith abd that is the rock thet the church is built on “JESUS CHRIST: Peter was not hte first pope .Ne wasnt even the leader ot the church in Jerusalem. JESUS CHRIST is the head of His church period. Just like the devil to twist the scripture for his benefit.

          306. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Nope, that was James who headed the Jerusalem church.

          307. justanagent says:

            I do not understand all this Catholic v Protestant contention. About one half of my family is Catholic the other including myself is nondenominational Protestant. The Old Testament prophets and patriarchs were neither Protestant nor Catholic. Since they all lived and died before Christ came they can only be considered Christian in the sense that all worshiped the one true God consisting in eternity as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in one entity, which is what Yeshua meant when He said “before Abraham was I am”. God is the eternal supreme being. He is tripartite consisting of mind (infinite intelligence) body (the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us) and spirit (the Holy Spirit). We were made in His image in the sense that we are creatures consisting of mind, body and spirit. That is not to say that we are little gods, only that we are created in His image. One’s salvation depends on having a personal spiritual relationship with Christ and accepting the pardon He purchased. The Old Testament saints are in heaven because the believed and accepted the prophetic Word. New Testament believers obtain salvation by accepting the Word that was made flesh. I believe that during the time between His death and resurrection He appeared to the “souls of the righteous” who died before He became flesh and witnessed to them. The bottom line is just this. The Christian Church was established by Christ in the first century. All the various denominations and suborders thereof whether Catholic or Protestant were actually started by men. The Roman Catholic Church actually began with the Roman emperor Constantine when he declared Christianity the official religion of the Roman empire. Lutherans and most other Protestant denominations to Martin Luther in one form or another. Methodists to Methodias and so on. If we really want to get back to true Christianity we should ditch all of the denominational labels and go back to what the first century churches taught and practiced. They were mostly Jews and observed the Hebraic feasts as did Christ who never commanded them to stop. As more and more non-Jews / Gentiles converted to Christianity they essentially hijacked the religion and began a conscious effort to systematically “deJudaize” it. I’m looking for a Christian church that will return to its true roots.

          308. Why not the Church that never left those roots the Catholic Church that has the promise of Jesus that it never will.

            http://fiatvolvntastua.blogspot.com/search/label/Understanding%20the%20Church

          309. justanagent says:

            I think almost all modern churches have to varying degrees left their roots. When Catholics bash Protestants and Protestants bash Catholics all they are doing is inflicting wounds in the Body of Christ which consists of all true Christians regardless of denomination. They should all be ashamed. As I said my family is a mix of Catholics and Protestants united in a common faith in Christ not divided by a denominational label. As I said, if the modern churches truly want to return to their roots then they should go back to the first century and observe the Jewish feasts and holy days like Christ did.

          310. Woody says:

            No bashing–truth is truth. Jesus “Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”
            Quite a difference if you get it wrong – Catholics receiving Jesus Body and Blood every day at Mass vS Prots receiving bread and grape juice each Sunday.
            This alone is QUITE a difference.

          311. sandraleesmith46 says:

            I hate to tell you, but your “eucharist” is blatant heresy and literally “recrucifies” Jesus every single time you do it! HE said He came to take away the sins ONCE for all, and to share the Communion in REMEMBRANCE of Him; not to recrucify Him!

          312. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Yes, in fact they have done. It’s not about “bashing” so much, as trying to call them back to Christ Whom they long since abandoned in favor of falsehoods.

          313. Woody says:

            More nonsense–(Constantine?) then how do you explain the maryrdom of the first 19 Popes beginning with Peter (upside down yet) Jesus Church has never been a “denomination.” (takes more than one to be a denomination) and Jesus being ONE needs only ONE Church – His Church!

          314. justanagent says:

            I did not mean to imply that Constantine actually created any church. What I should have said is that when he declared Christianity the official religion of Rome he introduced a corrupting influence. When I speak of denominations I am referring to all the churches that accept the essential tenets of the Christian faith. By that definition the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans et al are all legitimate churches within the bounds of orthodox Christianity. They are divided by non-salvation doctrinal issues and traditions. True Christians can be found in all of these churches and God will accept them based on their acceptance of Christ as their personal savior and Lord of their life. You seem to have a different belief. That is quite alright and it would be a foolish waste of time on my part to try to change it. In my view we are brothers in Christ. My Catholic family members agree with me 100% on this issue.

          315. Constantine was an Arian and not a Christian ever. He was a follower of Arius which was the precursor to the Jehovah Witnesses and Iglesia ni Cristo sects of today.

          316. justanagent says:

            I was not aware of that. Thank you for enlightening me. It supports my contention that Constantine was never a true Christian but when he declared his version of “Christianity” to be the official religion Rome he introduced a corrupting influence. As I said, the body of Christ is neither Protestant nor Catholic. It is composed of all who have accepted Christ as their personal savior and the pardon He purchased. That means placing your faith in Him alone, believing He is God made flesh, that He was born of a virgin, He died and was resurrected and that he is coming again to rule over the whole earth. Anyone who does not look forward to that event is not a true Christian. I just returned from a visit with my Catholic family members. We worshiped together in their church. When they visit me we worship together in my church. No one ever feels out of place as we are united in our common faith in Christ, not divided by non-salvation issues that will be of no consequence in eternity. Not one of them believes that I am going to Hell because I am not a Catholic nor do I believe that any of them are headed there because they are. Why can’t we all adopt this model and come together. We don’t all have to agree on every issue as long as we all come together on the fundamentals of the faith. That’s what the first century church did.

          317. Being a Christian is not about a personal relationship only but it is also about a corporeal relationship as well in His Church and not the man-made counterfeits represented by Protestantism. Remember that Christ’s Church is called in the Bible the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. The truth is important for a true relationship in Christ.

          318. justanagent says:

            Not one church Protestant or Catholic has a 100% lock of the truth. God’s word is the only pure truth. Salvation is not found within any organized religion. The Church consists of all true believers who have placed their faith in Christ. This Protestant v Catholic thing is silly and divisive.

            Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV)
            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            Works are the product of faith.

          319. Woody says:

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            WASHINGTON, D.C., January 31, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – President Trump confirmed Tuesday night that his Supreme Court nominee is pro-life Neil Gorsuch of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.

            “When Justice Scalia passed away suddenly last February, I made a promise to the American people” to find “very best judge in the country for the Supreme Court,” said Trump. “I am a man of my word. I will do as I say, something that the American people have been asking for from Washington for a very, very long time.”

            Trump said Gorsuch has a “brillant mind, tremendous discipline” and bipartisan support. Trump noted that a justice can serve for half a century or so.

            Maureen Scalia, the wife of the late Justice Antonin Scalia, was at the White House for Trump’s announcement. The president called her a representative of the “late, great Justice Antonin Scalia.”

            Gorsuch, 49, is a favorite of social conservatives because of his pro-life views and his record defending religious liberty.

            In Hobby Lobby Stores v. Sebelius, Gorsuch sided with the Christian-owned craft store that did not want to be forced by the government to provide certain contraceptives through its health plan.

            Gorsuch favored the Little Sisters of the Poor when dissenting from a 10th Circuit decision saying the nuns must be forced to formally cooperate with the provision of contraception. The dissent essentially said that the 10th Circuit “had shown insufficient deference to the Little Sisters’ own articulation of the tenets of their religious beliefs,” according to SCOTUS blog.

            Gorsuch attended University of Oxford, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School. He has “a flair that matches — or at least evokes” that of the late Justice Antonin Scalia, SCOTUS blog reports, because his “opinions are exceptionally clear and routinely entertaining; he is an unusual pleasure to read, and it is always plain exactly what he thinks and why.”

            Gorsuch brought up Scalia in his speech tonight.

            “Justice Scalia was a lion of the law,” he said. “I miss him.”

            In 2009, Gorsuch wrote The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia, in which he argued that human life has intrinsic value and “that intentional killing is always wrong.” The nuanced book examined legal and ethical issues surrounding assisted suicide and euthanasia, as well as the roles patient autonomy and refusal of unwanted medical care play. Its publisher Princeton University Press calls the book “the most comprehensive argument against their legalization ever published.” Gorsuch studied under natural law expert John Finnis.

            Just last year, Gorsuch sided with Utah Governor Gary Herbert when he sought to defund Planned Parenthood.

            Of Roe v. Wade, Gorsuch wrote that there is “no constitutional basis” for giving a mother more rights than her unborn child (The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia, p. 82):

            In Roe, the Court explained that, had it found the fetus to b

          320. sandraleesmith46 says:

            The contention is that the RCC claims to be the “only true church; outside of which none is saved”, yet in the early 1500s, a priest by the name of Martin Luther actually READ the Bible for himself, and saw the glaring errors that had arisen and been being taught as “Gospel” for nearly 15 centuries since Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection. He tried to get the church fathers to reform and go back to the Scripture as the source of truth; they refused and eventually excommunicated him, and those following his teaching; but Luther was RIGHT: many of the things he saw are still being taught and followed religiously in the RCC; and they’re found NOWHERE in the Bible, not even the Douay-Reims (RCC approved) versions. The various denominations focus on different aspects and some believe in the active infilling of the Holy Spirit while others think that was just for the 1st century believers; things like that. But they agree on the basic tenets of repentance, redemption, and sanctification. The RCC was already established in Rome long before Constantine; ti was the church Paul wrote to as what we know to day as the Book of Romans in the NT; and it wasn’t established by any of the apostles. None had yet gone there.
            Yes, the Book of the Acts, is actually the model for what the Church is meant to be. But Jesus didn’t establish it; He came to call the Jews back to the God of their Fathers (the 12 patriarchs), and it was only after His resurrection, that the Apostles began, especially Paul, to reach out to the Gentiles, as was PLANNED and prophesied in the OT; the sheep of other pastures Jesus mentioned on occasion. No one “hijacked” anything; it was the Church leaders (Apostles), gathered in Jerusalem, who decided what they would expect of the Gentile converts, which did NOT include full conversion to Judaism; not the Gentiles themselves.
            If you’re seeking a body of believers who practice along Judaic lines you might look for a Messianic Synagogue; a Jewish “church” in effect; they do exist. Jewish Voice, or Jews for Jesus might be of help.

          321. The reason that Luther left the Church was so that he could break his vows to God. He did not leave the Church for theological differences but because he could not uphold his vows to God. He was overcome by lust.

            There was a time when I really struggled to believe that man was totally depraved as per the teaching of John Calvin. In my naiveté I went to a Baptist seminary after undergraduate school not knowing that there were different approaches to soteriology and not prepared for the concept of total depravity. I had been taught original sin as a Moravian but never that this sin made man totally depraved unable to do any good. Try as I might I just could not accept this teaching of total depravity because it just did not match the Scriptures as I read them, instead the idea created conflicts in my mind with Scriptures. Try as I might I could not reconcile those conflicts and then began to reject that presupposition of total depravity and search for another understanding without the conflicts with Scripture and more doctrinal consistency. I came to this realization as I was studying my second course in hermeneutics and was reading some of Rudolph Bultman’s writings discussing the difficulty and his perceived impossibility of one being instructed by Scriptures without presuppositions. He stated that we all come to Scriptural study tainted by our worldview and unable to be objective and allow the text to instruct us instead of gleaning from the text support for that which we already supposed instead. I came to believe that this is exactly what Calvinist inclined exegetes do when the degree of depravity of man is studied and often ignore Scripture references to the contrary building a case for the one worldview of a depraved and hopeless humanity incapable of even recognizing goodness.

            There were a lot of problems I had with Calvin’s theology on man’s total depravity. When I went to seminary, I had already been to war in Vietnam. I was not the innocent, idealistic person that had graduated from undergrad school. I had seen man at his worst exposed by war, murder, lust, hatred, etc. It occurred to me that if I was to believe in the total depravity of man then the logical assumption in a consistent mind is that God wills evil as well as good. Otherwise, God would destroy the evil in men with his irresistible grace.

            Now I had no trouble in accepting God’s sovereignty but could not understand why God would predestine some to salvation and others as reprobate, all this by some mysterious selection when we were created. To me, it was impossible to ignore that God was creating some for righteousness and others to evil, some to eternity and others into the lake of fire and damnation if Calvin was correct. In a real sense, God was creating evil and goodness if Calvinist theology is to be considered consistent. This created great difficulty because I saw the consistent message in the Bible that God was just and loving. I just could not see the love and the justice in the Calvinist God creating those condemned as reprobate. In addition, this doctrine of Calvin was not consistent with my life experience where I had served in the military with many who had not accepted God’s saving grace but I saw the goodness of love in these people. With the presence of love how could they be the victims of the divine lottery of total depravity? Where there is love can there be total depravity? This seems inconsistent.

            Calvinist doctrine continued to fall apart in my mind when considering why some are saved and some are reprobate. Calvin suggested that God chose who would be saved and who would be damned based not on any free will or choice of the individual but simply on God’s will through his declarative sovereignty, He wills it therefore it happens. But, I kept seeing in Scriptures that Jesus came to save all of humanity. I even thought for a time that Calvin might be right and the Scriptures that speak of salvific opportunity for all men may be a mistranslated from the Greek to the English or even the Latin as I was already a Latin scholar. Eventually, when I learned Greek, I found that the Scriptures do speak quite adamantly about the inclusive opportunity of all to receive the saving grace of God by our believing in Christ and through Him all salvation may be realized. Christ coming for salvation of the whole world certainly conflicted with predestination and with total depravity and try as I might I could not reconcile these Scriptures with Calvinist doctrine. This is especially clear in the writings of St. John the beloved disciple. No, Calvin must be wrong, the Scriptures do not talk of salvation for only the elect unless we would assume that the whole world is only the elect which Scriptures would also contradict. If the elect are drawn by irresistible grace why is this irresistible grace given to all and not just the elect? The Scriptures are not supposed to create more questions than they answer and in this doctrine leave so much ambiguity as to who will be saved and /or why some are elect and others are damned. Surely there must be some element of free will and not just irresistible grace. One thing in Scriptures that really jumped out at me was learning from Scriptures that God did not create the everlasting fire for mankind but for Satan and his minions (Mat 25:41). If He created the everlasting fire as punishment for them only as Scriptures teach, then why does He also create some of humanity for the everlasting fire?

            Then there is the issue of original sin. We see the sin of Adam and Eve which we inherit but it is clear from Scriptures that they did not sin because of a depraved state. In the Garden there obviously was not irresistible grace that would prevent them from sinning. Had there been irresistible grace death would not have entered the world. It seems to me that they sinned from their choices made within their free will. Where in Scriptures does it suggest that as a result of original sin that we no longer have choice or free will but are subject to election through irresistible grace. Why, if God chooses us with irresistible grace as the elect, are we not regenerated into perfection, immune to sin? Where is man’s responsibility in Calvin’s theology?

            (1Jo 2:2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

            Are these words not true? John Calvin brings them into doubt.

            In Christ
            Fr. Joseph

            Footnote: Constantine was never a Catholic Christian or a Christian at all but was instead an Arian and promoted Arianism for his empire. The modern incarnation of Arianism today is the Jehovah Witness sect and the Iglesia ni Cristo sect.

          322. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Luther’s inability to remain chaste wouldn’t have caused him to leave the RCC; again, I suggest you look closer at the Borgias for example. But they weren’t the only ones who didn’t maintain that vow either, over the centuries. He didn’t even leave it voluntarily. Humans are, of their own accord, pretty depraved. If they weren’t, we couldn’t have produced some of the history we have done. Totally? Perhaps not quite, but I wouldn’t be taking any bets on it. And I’m no Calvinist. We have free will; we, as a species just keep making WRONG choices.
            Not all of us are bound by the “tainting” of our worldviews. Some of us learned a thing called “clinical detachment”; a necessity to do the jobs we do. It can be applied to reading the Bible, or anything else for that matter.

          323. Sharon Jeanguenat says:

            The Catholic church was NOT founded by Jesus. His church are those believers that have repented of their sins, & follow HIS teachings, not man’s. While the Pope is an important leader, he in no way embodies Christ, & will NEVER be equal to Him.

          324. golferbug says:

            He is not Christ. He is Christ’s representative here on earth. What is so difficult to understand?

          325. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Jesus doesn’t need a “representative” here on Earth; what’s so hard for you to understand? He erased the need for a “representative” which was the role of the High Priest in traditional Judaism, at Calvary; that was the significance of the veil in the Temple tearing from the top down.

          326. Woody says:

            No one knows who is “saved” and who is “not” – just as one can sin with his/her last breath, one can repent with their last breath. Christ being God quite rightly knew He would be leaving and why He set up His Church to carry on which they did–many martyrs during the first 10-20 centuries of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ-James first Bishop of Jerusalem; Peter 1st Bishop of Antioch and later 1st Bishop of Rome.

          327. sandraleesmith46 says:

            You do realize this is only the 20th century since the first century Jesus and His Apostles?

          328. Nor will he ever claim to be equal to God. Every priest like myself whether the Pope or any other proclaims that we are sinners in thought, word, and deed. We humble ourselves before the body of Christ at every Mass and do as Jesus commanded to eat His consecrated Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. We proclaim the reality that what we eat is really and substantially His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity as Jesus promised to His faithful.

            Your definition of Church is very broad as it must be while the definition within Christ’s Church is quite specific as it is in reality. The Pope is a priest and proclaims at every mass to be a sinner in thought word and deed so that the faithful can never be confused. We teach that we as Priests are the lowest of Christ’s servants called to humility and service to the faithful.

          329. Actually but was the only Church founded by Jesus. All others are man made counterfeits.

          330. Unsupportable nonsense! No one has ever claimed in the Church that the Pope is equal to Christ. Quite the contrary, the Church teaches that the Pope is the lowest of humanity and unworthy of the office he holds until Christ comes again. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ and not His replacement or equal.

          331. David in MA says:

            The Catholic Church is not the Church of Jesus…..

          332. Actually, it is, the Bible and history attest to that fact.

          333. David in MA says:

            It is a good guide to live by but, I disagree it is the church of Jesus, the conference at Necia in 325 took out any association of the church being connected to Jesus, and also the fact Jesus preached the Torah. And, every time the Bible is “updated” there are changes which take it further away from any connection to Jesus.
            The Church of Jesus, YASHUA, is the Ten Commandments/312 Laws.
            I believe the Catholic Church is the church of the ruler of the air.
            Sorry we disagree…..

          334. sandraleesmith46 says:

            That’s PURE RCC dogma; not Scriptural in any way!

          335. Actually entirely Scriptural but the founding of the Church and the appointing of Simon to be the Vicar of Christ with the name change of Petros is indeed biblical. Your attempt at eisegesis fails to be convincing. It is, in fact, totally illogical and unscholarly.

          336. Wondering Woman says:

            Believe you have your information mixed up, cristoiglesia. Jesus Christ (Jewish name was Yahshua which means son of Yahweh) had nothing to do with the catholic church, which was founded by Simon Magus, who was a magician, and allegedly the first catholic pope. Suggest you study a little more before chastising towncrier on falling into heresy.. Matter of fact many consider the catholic church as being the whore of Babylon. Have to agree with towncrier on the catholic church – never attended services in any of them, but disagree with much of what I have observed and what history has taught about them.

            IMHO the catholic church not only broke man’s law, but Yahweh’s (God) or Universal law in their handling of the pedophile priest. Their shifting all the pedophile priests to a different parish caused a lot of other children’s lives to be psychologically damaged – all to cover it up and protect the church’s wealth. Throughout history this seems to be their major goal – amassing wealth. The selling of their Papal Bulls to the families of the deceased for the priests to pray their souls out of purgatory just didn’t sound like divine behavior to me either.

            Sounds more like the LOVE of MONEY is the root of all evil, which should not be found in any church, but unfortunately that seems to be the major theme in many of churches today and we find ourselves in a bad situation, because too many of our religious organizations are more concerned with being “politically correct” than they are in spreading the word of our Supreme Being and saving souls. Now we have ministers teaching that it is a woman’s right to get an abortion. We need to TRASH being Politically Correct and get busy learning unconditional love to get true PEACE ON EARTH!

          337. Ginger Aldrich says:

            Catholics are Christian believers ….followers of Christ
            None however are now or were perfect – only Jesus was
            Catholics are not the only Christians
            PS I’m Catholic
            Just setting it straight

          338. The invisible Church are those who have faith in our Lord but one cannot discern who are a part of His invisible Church. However, Jesus and the disciples founded a visible Church and we see the formation of that Church in the book of Acts. This Church is the Catholic Church and is the self-same Church that Jesus prayed that we would all be one within. Otherwise as professed Christians and not being obedient to His Church would place us outside of His will, blessings, promises and grace; if not fully but in great measure. Those outside of His will would be those that some describe as “playing” at Christianity and not following Jesus.

            There are some outside of the visible Church which some call a “remnant” that are not be on the path to the narrow gate but may be saved by God’s mercy. These are those who seek God but are deceived into being outside of His visible Church by no fault of their own. While not a part of the visible Church they can be considered a part of the invisible Church. So, Jesus and the disciples formed a visible Church as we see after Pentecost recorded in the book of Acts and it could be said that there are those known only to God who are a part of that visible Church against their will or knowledge that will be received in Glory to be a part of the Church Triumphant. But, as one can see in Scripture this is not the ordinary way to be saved through His Church but as an extraordinary example of His mercy.

            The gates of hell will never prevail against His visible Church because of the protection of the Church by the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost. The Church is other worldly and heavenly in its nature and is endowed with its holiness and veracity from its founder Jesus. Jesus gave His promises to His visible Church so that the world could see the testimony of His Church as the pillar and ground of the truth and a shining city on a hill (Mat 5:14) It is the will of God that all should be saved by and through His Church as it is the Church that was commissioned to spread the Gospel throughout the world both corporeally and individually. The Church is a refuge and the Ark from the sins and temptations of the world. It is heaven on earth where Christ dwells in the Tabernacles and is worshiped. So if the visible Church ceased to exist it would make Jesus a liar and a pretender as the Messiah and Savior of the world because all of His promises would be proven false.

            Unity requires that there be a knowledge and physical manifestation of that unity. That is the Catholic Church which is the visible Church. The invisible Church does not represent unity because it is known only to God which may be unified in faith but not in purpose.

            The purpose of the Church is its testimony in spreading the “good news” to the world. That requires a visible unity. The world will never know if those who are in the invisible Church are preserved but the visible Church will always be the witness to the world that it remains after empires and governments have fallen, political ideologies have been born and died and false and counterfeit religions have come and gone. It is a testimony that Jesus is God of the Trinity and that His will be done on earth as well as in heaven regardless of the snares of Satan and His lies against humanity.

          339. fred schramm says:

            Answer this. How is a catholic saved?

          340. Living life in God’s will is not a game and should not be approached ignorantly or frivolously. It is being within His will that assures our salvation and not all the legalism one may attach to God’s plan.

            Many people seem to think that all they have to do is in a moment of emotion and/or reason ascent to the recognition of Christ being their savior and their salvation to eternal life is assured. From that point forward it makes no difference that their life is changed and they will live differently. The only thing that has changed is that evil in their lives as displayed outwardly and lived inwardly no longer has an effect on their eternity as their one act of acceptance has made them immune to the actions of their sins at the judgment and obligated God to accept them into His presence. Some will go so far as to say that one’s sinfulness and evil has nothing to do with the value of their souls before God because even the evilest, sinful soul is covered rather than purified by Christ’s atonement. It would appear that these people are saying that Christ’s atonement is a method or sinister plan to allow sin in the presence of God draped in a covering of righteousness to conceal the evil within and that salvation is assured regardless of the state of their souls.

            The question comes immediately to mind, how one can come to such conclusions considering the context of the body of Scriptures that contradict such a notion. I believe that it all comes down to one verse which is unique in all of Scripture that depicts Christ as a personal savior dependent on one’s inner conviction. All other Scriptures depict only salvation through the Church saying that He died for us, meaning the Church. St. Paul certainly taught this as he practiced seeking salvation through Christ’s Church.

            Here is the Scripture which through the eisegesis of some causes misunderstanding:

            (Gal 2:20 DRB) And I live, now not I: but Christ liveth in me. And that I live now in the flesh: I live in the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and delivered himself for me.

            Some take this verse to mean that one need only repent and turn to God with the heart of a little child and their salvation is assured.

            (Joh 3:3 DRB) Jesus answered and said to him: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

            Catholics see salvation quite differently than those who think that covering one’s sins is enough to enter the presence of God. We recognize that Christ has redeemed us on the cross and unlocked the gates of heaven and that redemption is not the same as salvation but instead a prelude to salvation. In order for us to receive salvation, we must cooperate by being spiritually alive. Our soul cannot be in a natural state when we die to receive salvation and no covering of its sinfulness will be enough to hide what is beneath, a soul without the sanctifying grace cannot enter heaven. If at death, the soul is sanctified then there is no doubt of heaven even if that soul needs to go to the purification of purgatory. Only souls that are indeed good and pleasing to God by being full of His sanctifying grace will merit heaven. It is the state of the soul at death that merits heaven and this fact emphasizes why we need God’s ongoing grace in our lives to persevere to the end.

          341. Dr.Nelsion says:

            Jesus did NOT found the RCC. The less you talk, the wiser you sound!!

          342. It is called the Catholic Church and not the Roman Catholic Church.

          343. Actually, he did when he appointed St. Peter as his first Pope.

          344. All evidence refutes your claim.

          345. Actually He did. The Bible confirms that fact which is unassailable.

          346. Actually He did and it is well documented in the Bible.

            Using construction vernacular He said that He was the King, High Priest, and Cornerstone of the Church. The beginning of a firm/solid/ foundation is always the cornerstone which holds together the elements of the construction.
            He appointed St. Peter as the prime minister of the Church fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah that the Messiah would ordain an enduring office of prime minister and that that prime minister would be given the keys to the kingdom. This is exactly what He did when appointing St. Peter. The keys represented his office and the authority of that office which was to have the power of the king in ministering to the kingdom and the authority to teach and proclaim the will of the king. (Isa 22:20-25)
            The disciples are called the 12 foundation stones (Rev 21:14) of the Church continuing illustrating the permanence of what God is building. It is not a foundation of sand that is temporary but is of an enduring nature to last until the Parousia and strong enough to withstand the tumultuous attacks of hell that would surely attempt to prevail against the Church using every method of attack from within and from without. Even the world would hate that which our Lord had built just as it hated Him. This enduring leadership is the foundation of a Church that can truly be called the “pillar and foundation of the truth” because that which Christ has ordained shall never pass away or be absorbed into the world but will for all time remain heavenly as the ark for humanity where all may be saved just as the ark of Noah was the type for the Church which must endure within the evil of the world to bring the faithful into the promised land of heaven.
            Last of all, the Church stands as testimony to the veracity of Christ and His promises to humanity. The Church is the fulfillment of Scriptures in its enduring quality as well as it being that pillar or bulwark of truth in a world filled with lies, temptation and sins that will murder souls to Christ and decrease the harvest. Its unity in His will with faith and oneness of its mission to proclaim the Gospel after 2000 years is a miracle in itself but also it proclaims the divinity of our Lord where in His prophetic vision, competence of His leadership as the builder of His Church and His promises of His Church makes it truly a city on a hill that cannot be hid (Mat 5:14) frustrating its detractors and more truly the “gates of hell”.
            “EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV)
            For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
            “The word “we” refers to the Church to whom the Apostle Paul was writing his epistle. What constitute the Church created by God in Christ Jesus?”
            You have a much broader interpretation than what is taught in the Scriptures. I assume you have made this interpretation broadly and eisegetically to include your own man made sect to be the to be a part of the Church spoken of in the Scriptures but the Scriptures do not support in any way such eisegesis. Instead, the Bible is very specific on what constitutes the true Church founded by Christ. The Church is not impossible to know with assurance from Christ that you suggest but instead the Bible is very clear in recording the fact that Jesus established His New Covenant Church within His Kingdom established from the cross.
            Let us look at the teaching of our Lord about His Church. Using construction vernacular He said that He was the King, High Priest, and Cornerstone of the Church. The beginning of a firm/solid/ foundation is always the cornerstone which holds together the elements of the construction.
            He appointed St. Peter as the prime minister of the Church fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah that the Messiah would ordain an enduring office of prime minister and that that prime minister would be given the keys to the kingdom. This is exactly what He did when appointing St. Peter. The keys represented his office and the authority of that office which was to have the power of the king in ministering to the kingdom and the authority to teach and proclaim the will of the king. (Isa 22:20-25)
            The disciples are called the 12 foundation stones (Rev 21:14) of the Church continuing illustrating the permanence of what God is building. It is not a foundation of sand that is temporary but is of an enduring nature to last until the Parousia and strong enough to withstand the tumultuous attacks of hell that would surely attempt to prevail against the Church using every method of attack from within and from without. Even the world would hate that which our Lord had built just as it hated Him. This enduring leadership is the foundation of a Church that can truly be called the “pillar and foundation of the truth” because that which Christ has ordained shall never pass away or be absorbed into the world but will for all time remain heavenly as the ark for humanity where all may be saved just as the ark of Noah was the type for the Church which must endure within the evil of the world to bring the faithful into the promised land of heaven.
            Last of all, the Church stands as testimony to the veracity of Christ and His promises to humanity. The Church is the fulfillment of Scriptures in its enduring quality as well as it being that pillar or bulwark of truth in a world filled with lies, temptation and sins that will murder souls to Christ and decrease the harvest. Its unity in His will with faith and oneness of its mission to proclaim the Gospel after 2000 years is a miracle in itself but also it proclaims the divinity of our Lord where in His prophetic vision, competence of His leadership as the builder of His Church and His promises of His Church makes it truly a city on a hill that cannot be hid (Mat 5:14) frustrating its detractors and more truly the “gates of hell”.

          347. Actually He did…it is all in the Bible…read it.

          348. Woody says:

            No education here – it is plain in the Bible but first learn to read and then to understand. Probably NOT

          349. Actually He did and no other. In fact, He prayed that all who are His be one in unity in His Church.

          350. It looks as though you have very little regard for Biblical teaching preferring your doctrines of men and personal prejudice.

          351. No name nut case says:

            The believers in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ are the church! Not ANY church denomination of any kind. Please, please, please read the bible, all of it. The gentile (non-Israeli) church did not begin until the apostle Paul went to the Gentiles (that’s us…non-Jewish people). The word “church” simply means “congregation.” The Catholics believe that the church began with Peter. Peter was an apostle to ISRAEL. Non-Israeli’s/Gentiles are not a part of Peter’s and the other 11’s ministry. Peter and the other 11 went specifically to the Jews/Israel! (12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles. Strange how it works out like that, isn’t it?) They did not go to us Gentiles. Please read your bibles thoroughly! Not just the four “gospels.” Those 4 “gospels” are written exclusively to ISRAEL! The apostle Paul wrote to us non-Israeli’s whom the bible refers to as “gentiles.” That is not calling us a bad name. It simply means “not Jewish, not Israeli.” Anyone who is not Jewish/Israelis are gentiles. The apostle Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles according to Romans 11:13 (that’s in the bible). It seems that you Catholics would be especially interested in this verse since it was in the letter to the Romans. It is written as plainly as could be possible.
            The 12 apostles are ALL apostles to Israel. One for each of the 12 tribes of Israel. In total that makes 13 apostles, any way you count it.

        3. That is why Jesus said that His Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. Jesus never lied.

          1. Tallulah Cusati says:

            cristoigilesia, Enough, already. You really need to get lost, somewhere.

          2. Why can’t you handle truth…is it because you have been prejudiced against the truth?

          3. Paul Whitley says:

            You remind me of a quote I once read in a Navy “Plan of the Day” in 1964. I cannot remember who said it, but I well remember the quote – ” No one is as ignorant as he who knows nothing, yet knows not that he knows… nothing.”
            Believe what you will, and may God bless you, as well as all believers.

          4. Woody says:

            She can’t because she does not follow Jesus command to “know the truth and be free so she will always be a slave to errror.

        4. sandraleesmith46 says:

          This Pope is, first and foremost, a Jesuit, but he was raised in a communist dictatorship too (Peron’s Argentina), which is the source of his political beliefs. And the Jesuits’ ordination was to destroy the Protestant Reformation and the Jews, to prevent the return of the Messiah, as if they could do that. I think Malachy did, in fact, get it correct about him, and what he prophesied wasn’t very flattering at all. I also think it was Pius X who propheised a pope fleeing the burning Vatican over the bodies of his priests, one of those Pius’ in that area anyway, and I believe he was seeing this pope as well. I have thought, since he was first elected, that he’s the most likely candidate for the “false prophet” of the Revelation.

          1. The “Rock” as St. Peter was the first, cannot teach fallibly when speaking ex cathedra.

          2. sandraleesmith46 says:

            IF you read it and check out what the actual ORIGINAL language words are and mean, you’ll see he can’t possibly be the Rock on which the Church was to be built; a Strong’s exhaustive concordance would suffice to provide you that information.

          3. I know the original language and it is Aramaic. It explicitly points to St.Peter and his successors as the authority of Christ and thus the continuation of Christ on earth with His authority solely.

          4. Nonsense, in the original language the fact is undeniable that the Church is built upon St. Peters humble confession to His Lord. He changed his name from Simon to Peter and that was a significant sign to illustrate his statement about St. Peters epiphany.

          5. David Bauscher says:

            St. Peter’s confession is not St. Peter himself. His confession is the word of God Rookha d’Qoodsha. That is the Protestant understanding of “the rock” upon which the church is founded.

          6. Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my Church.”

            Of course, this is the verse where our Lord appointed Simon as the leader of the disciples, head of the Church on earth and the Pope. It is believed by some Protestants that they can defend their position of Simon not receiving the authority from Jesus by using the original Greek.

            The claim made is that there is a difference between the Greek words “Petra” and “Petros”. Now, if this discussion between Jesus and Simon had occurred a few centuries earlier before Attic Greek had ceased to be and lost in antiquity it might be a valid argument. However, in the first century when this discussion occurred the Greek language was Koine Greek instead. In Koine Greek, there is no difference in the meaning between “Petra” and “Petros” except in Koine Greek “petra” is feminine and “Petros” is the masculine form. So what I am saying is that one is making a great error in interpretation to assign the Attic Greek meanings large stone and small stone, which was used in ancient Greek poetic writings, when that language was gone for centuries in usage.

            Now, let us look at the Aramaic which is the familial language spoken by Jesus and the disciples which is the language which this discussion recorded in the Scriptures in Koine Greek occurred. We know that Jesus spoke in Aramaic because His words on the cross are in Aramaic (Matt 27:46). In fact, the book of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic according to most scholars including myself. Also in the St. Paul’s letters to the Galatians and to the Corinthians we see the word, Cephas, a total of eight times which is the English equivalent of kepha. Kepha always means rock. So, in Matthew 16:18 it would read using the Aramaic “You are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.” There is no big rock and pebble as evidence was given in the then dead Attic Greek. So in the original language, Jesus does not offer a contrast but instead, He clearly is calling Simon the rock.

            If one is not yet convinced that the rendering in Attic Greek is improper, let us look at Matthew 16:18 with the Attic Greek interpretation and see which one makes the most sense…. “Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven. And I tell you, you are just a little pebble and upon this rock, I will build my Church.” Instead of the Koine Greek “you are Rock (Petros) and upon this rock (Petros) I will build my Church. He goes on to give Simon Peter the keys to heaven showing the authority of the rock named Peter. As the King of Kings Jesus is making Peter His prime minister of His kingdom and we can see the foreshadowing from Isaiah 22: 21-22 and the leader of the flock from John 21:15-17. It shows in Isaiah the passing on of the keys from one to another for the authority of the kingdom just as the authority of the papacy is passed on.

        5. No name nut case says:

          Who said that this is the last pope? I am just curious because I’ve never heard anyone say that. Personally I don’t care if he is or isn’t. Lol!

        6. No name nut case says:

          Why do you say that he is the last? I must have missed something. Lol!

        7. Keep in mind that the Bible says that the Church founded by Jesus, the Catholic Church, is the enduring “pillar and foundation of the truth”.

      3. Kathryn Ross says:

        I live close to the Mexican Border, and you are absolutely right hardhardedhanna….. I too worship Our Lord In Heaven and no other False god’s shall i kneel or chant before….

        1. William M Klepper says:

          I’m an Atheist that believes everyone deserves a faith to believe in. They should NOT be hypocritical about their own beliefs but give their life all-in 100% and be respectful of what other people believe in. I believe in humanity and have never had cause to regret my belief. There are SOB’s in all walks of life. The sad part is that most ARE Hypocrites, believing what is convenient to believe for the moment. Walls are for those SOBs.

          1. Frank Taylor says:

            Religious beliefs or the lack thereof is one of our rights. Belief in God or not is a personal thing. We have immigration laws and also a very long Southern border. a wall will not by and of itself solve that problem. the cost of building it is small compared to cost of providing government service to those who are here illegally. electronic surveillance combined with wall and border patrol would stop nearly all illegal immigration. Bringing criminal charges against employers who hire illegals would finish the job. No job, no government benefits would eliminate all reason for them to stay. Enforce our laws!

          2. No name nut case says:

            Christianity doesn’t force anyone to believe. I know that at one time Roman Catholics tried to force people to believe, but It just pushed people away, instead.
            Muslims do force people to believe their religion, which is most definitely not Christianity, and they worship Allah, NOT Jehovah God nor Jesus Christ. Islam forces people to follow their god.

          3. fred schramm says:

            Joining Islam is like joining the mob. You cant get out without getting murdered or dying of old age.

          4. No name nut case says:

            There is God, and there are false gods. Anyone in America can worship whomever/whatever they choose, but it doesn’t mean that the choice is going to do them any good in the end. There are a lot of people in other countries, such as Iran, Iraq, China, etc. who are told who they can worship…or ELSE!!

          5. No name nut case says:

            You are correct. I have been a Christian since I was 9 years old, and I’m retired now. I’ve seen a lot and listened to a lot. I have figured out that people tend to be hypocrites because they really don’t understand the Bible. They are not “grounded.” Colossians 1:23; Eph.chapter 3. That’s not to say that they are going to hell. All one has to believe in order to go to heaven is that Christ died for their sin and arose from the grave for their justification. In other words, what sends people to hell is not believing and trusting in Jesus Christ is their savior.

          6. William M Klepper says:

            I support your right to believe in your belief. Return the courtesy and support my right to believe in my beliefs. This unspoken arrangement is called tolerance and works very well. Don’t be a SOB like the other SOB’s

          7. johnwlooper says:

            Believe what you want sir. I sure am going to believe what I want.

          8. William M Klepper says:

            Good, that’s all I ask, the same opportunity you afford yourself.

          9. Woody says:

            klepper’s “be nice” way ignores Truth or as Jesus says “Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.” jesus was nice but not ignorant.

          10. fred schramm says:

            To add to that….In John ch 3.it says that all who do not believe are already condemned.. So Jesus bore the curse and suffered the wrath of God for us to remove the emnity of all who believe so that we are at peace with God and become a friend of God.

          11. fred schramm says:

            Atheism is not a faith. Its a lack of faith, an unbelief in the MOST HIGH GOD Believing in humanity is useless because we are so flawed. We will always be a disappointment to someone throughout our lives and if you put your faith in humanity get ready for plenty of disappointment in your life. Its better to put your faith in God ,because He will never lie and makes all things work together for our good. Remember , He can do abundantly more than you could ever ask for..

          12. William M Klepper says:

            That’s BS. Fred Your inability to see any faith beyond your own is clouding your mind. Who told you Atheism is a lack of faith? Faith is a belief in something without needing empirical proof. supporting it. I believe in humanity’s ability to believe in itself. Peace is good. I don’t need empirical proof to the contrary. Tolerance is good. Again, I don’t need proof. I’ve just shown you 2 good examples of a faith system, Fred. You haven’t rocked my world and I hope I haven’t rocked yours.

      4. Jesus is God and founded the Catholic Church and only the Catholic Church. He said about his enduring Church that the gates of hell will never prevail against it. What Jesus said is true. No one worships a Pope. No one sets themselves up to be God so what are your ranting about? The Catholic Church is the only Church that is not “phony” and we have the promise of Jesus to support that fact.Jesus called His Church, the Catholic Church the “pillar and foundation of the truth”.

        1. Tallulah Cusati says:

          cristoiglesia, And, on and on, she, goes.

        2. Patricia Overton says:

          I am a born again Protestant. See you in Heaven where you can explain how I got there.

          1. I was also, a Moravian, which was the first Protestant sect. Remember the Bible teaches that only through His Church can one get to Heaven.

            http://fiatvolvntastua.blogspot.com/2009/06/can-john-calvins-teaching-on-salvation.html

          2. Patricia Overton says:

            Acts 16. 30, 31 tells us what to do to be saved. I did. Catholic friends accept me as i am.

          3. I can tell you that now…”the hard way”.

        3. sandraleesmith46 says:

          No; He didn’t even found the Church per se, at all; His disciples did that! He went to the lost sheep of Israel, and only to them.

        4. shamu9 says:

          Martin Luther Started the “Protestant Reformation” In opposition to the Pope Selling ‘Papal Indulgences’. ‘Forgiveness’, of all Sins, to European Royalty!

          1. Correct, but some seem to think that the sins of individuals are an excuse for rejecting Christ’s Church and His commandment to be in unity with His Church.

          2. shamu9 says:

            I spent my Youth in Parochial School! The Nuns beat Christianity into us every day!

      5. sandy says:

        You really shouldn’t talk about things you know nothing about. No one worships the pope! He is merely a man, a very holy man, 266th in a direct line from St. Peter, the 1st Pope. He is a disciple of Christ, just as we are all called to be. And he doesn’t play God. Dummy! Pick up a book and read.

      6. Raymond Miller says:

        Is he really any different than our Politicians? They have armed guards paid for by us but want to deprive us of self protection, DAAAAAAAAA

      7. marshmil says:

        Historically the Pope has been mostly a political figure. Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God, never set up the office of Pope. It was the Roman government that crucified Jesus along with the politically correct Jews of 30 AD. So why is the center of “Catholicism” in Rome? Jerusalem is the Holy City! It appears the Holy Roman Empire still lives, just under a different name. At the Second Advent we will see where the Kingdom of God really centers. The answer is in the “Good Book” for all humanity to see.

      8. No name nut case says:

        Me too!

    2. Kathryn Ross says:

      Mary. Yes, why doesn’t He???

      1. Woody says:

        You two should move there and solve everything.

    3. Lee McLaughlin says:

      I suspect that wall was built for the same reason Obama just built his and why walls have been built ever since there have been people that wanted what others had but this wall we went is simply to stop those that want our most precious thing – our lives from getting in. If that makes us unpeaceful then we are unpeaceful but not stupid. Now the half that think building a wall is bad should go live over there and hug the crazies all they want and hope to see you in a year but I get dibs on your stuff.

      1. Historically walls have only been built to keep people in rather than out. They are only a symbolic effort to keep people out. If he builds that wall it will bankrupt the American public to pay for it. Really it will accomplish nothing else.

        1. Frank Taylor says:

          the cost to build the was is estimated to be around $20 to $25 billion . That will hardly bankrupt our country. It will not completely end illegal immigration alone. Human border patrol and electronic surveillance and other technology has to be used along with that wall. It will make it much harder to cross illegally and harder for drug dealers to bring drugs in. It is up to Congress to provide funding. Without funding, it can not be built.

          1. I have never seen the government build anything within budget. The figure you give is a wild guess. The facts are that the wall will be funded solely by taxpayers and the cost will be extreme for the largest building project in history. It will come out of the pockets of hard working Americans through taxation. Taxpayers are now overburdened without this frivolous project. Add to that the universal healthcare based on the Canadian system which Trump campaigned for and we will all be living off of food stamps in government housing.

          2. shamu9 says:

            The Military on the border, with .50 cal Machine Guns on the WALL will keep the Beaners OUT! Think of how much $$ we’d save in Welfare alone!

          3. mrpoohead says:

            Ha, ha, ha! $20 trillion in debt and still going up. Can’t afford squat!

        2. Kiam Larsen says:

          No the Wall build around Jerusalem was to keep it’s “Enemies” Out not to keep people i9nside.

        3. Tallulah Cusati says:

          cristoiglesia, You are NOT very smart. If President Trump does NOT build the, ‘WALL’, the ILLEGALS will take over our country. Many parts of our country where ILLEGALS have took over, is already looking like a third-world country.

          1. sandraleesmith46 says:

            Ah, but you see, that is what the RCC wants! All those “nice Catholic invaders” to overwhelm our Republic and destroy it!

        4. sandraleesmith46 says:

          IF that were true, your pope should stay inside his wall and be quiet about that of which he really knows NOTHING!

        5. Elephant says:

          God told the Israelites to build a wall around their city to keep their enemies out.

      2. Tallulah Cusati says:

        Lee McLaughlin, Great comment.

    4. David in MA says:

      Because he is a Jesuit priest (gangsta) and true socialist (communist) who thinks he can make peace with the muslims who have been fighting non-muslims for over 2000 years. (The muslims will soon be using his head for a bowling ball).

    5. marshmil says:

      Thank you Mary. I was thinking the same thing. I also said the same when Obama was sitting on his Muslim Throne in his Crescent Office. He should have taken down the fence surrounding the White House AND dismissed all the Secret Service personnel if he did not want a wall built along our Southern Border. Oh, the hypocrisy! But the Donald needs the fence and SS protection now because of the plethora of leftist nut cases roaming around loose.

    6. Doris Will says:

      I heard that Obama’s wall has been completed. Think it’s safe to move in?

    7. CommonSense4America says:

      And he has his own army inside the walls. What’s he afraid of?

    8. Ginger Aldrich says:

      I hear it doesn’t go around completely
      I guess we should research ourselves Sad u can’t believe News reports anymore …. I’ve started double cking

  4. grampi says:

    The hatred of Trump is the result of the American voters getting the change promised by OBAMA put into play by Trump. Just like the Dems and the GOP the global elitists have no friend. They are rattled. All of a sudden they have to take responsibility. Not many are up to the task.

  5. AnAmericanRight says:

    The Pope is a hypocrite. The Vatican has a wall around it. why? To keep out undesirables of course. The Pope should NOT try to tell Trump what to do, ever.

    1. Brad Fisher says:

      Agree% and keep his mouth shut and make sure he saves his own soul which is jeopardy just like any other human being. He is NOT infallible. Hardly.

      1. The Pope is definitely infallible but only when he speaks “ex cathedra”.

        1. shamu9 says:

          Ex Cathedra means-From the Throne of St. Peter, and Only on the subjects of Faith and Morals!

    2. Kathryn Ross says:

      Damn Right! AnAmericanright…… The Pope believes in open borders… that is very Hypocritical….. Also Political… which the Pope should have no ties….His ties should be pertaining to religious beliefs and concerns period.

    3. That is actually the Pope’s most important job.

      1. KDC says:

        Only in his own eyes.

    4. Kiam Larsen says:

      Yah, A wall built “Centuries” ago is to keep the undesirables out today. And yes any fool knows that he should take down this “foundation” wall Now to prove he is for peace. What a “CLEVER” thinker you must be.

      1. sandraleesmith46 says:

        It was built to keep Muslims out when they were overrunning Europe centuries ago; as they are today…

      2. No, the wall around the Vatican is there to protect what is inside and in particular the things that are in the archives which are priceless. As a Church historian I was allowed into the Vatican archives but was only allowed to see one of the items that are there. There is no list of what the archives contain for security reasons as everything there is priceless. One has to guess what might be there. I asked to see the “Decretum of Pope Gelasius” which for the first time created and listed the Canon of the Bible. This list was used to create the first Bible in the 5th century. When I made my request the clerk said nothing but just turned around and left. In less than an hour he returned with the original list and letter that created the Christian Bible.

  6. donaldbreaux says:

    Why the Hell do you surround you and your demonic vatican with a wall? FREAK?

  7. vincent deredita says:

    He stuck it right up the Democrats ASSES!!!

  8. Brad Fisher says:

    The Pope is no God and is only another mortal human being given to decay of the body. He should just make sure his own soul is clear of sin. Don’t point to others.

    1. Tallulah Cusati says:

      Brad Fisher, Great comment.

  9. I doubt that the Pope can recall events of more than a 1,000 years ago but he might know Mussolino I would think.

  10. RONALD WIEDER says:

    A million times superior to his stupid little brown predicessor who will remembered as being by far, the worst U.S. president in history !

    1. johnh says:

      Hope fully obamas personal records get unsealed. That will show that he is and has always been ILLEGAL.

      1. shamu9 says:

        Hopefully he’ll be Whacked by a DisIllusioned Moslem Hadjii!

  11. SouthernPatriot says:

    President Trump’s trip could not have been more successful. Clearly he articulated the need for 23 of the 28 NATO member nations to start paying their fair share of NATO expenses, not having the USA paying more than all other members combined. President Trump addressed all the 50 majority Muslim nation leaders to fight terrorism. The Egyptian president was so impressed with President Trump, that he said, Trump twas “capable of doing impossible things.” Netanyahu and his wife thought President Trump & Melania were a “breath of fresh air” and true friends. Even the Pope enjoyed speaking with Trump and perhaps will be hesitant in the future of speaking about a wall we need for our protection as he has one for he and his curia.

  12. Duke Huzitz says:

    Peace only happens after Victory

  13. bunky doodle says:

    why does the pope have a wall that surrounds the vatican? to protect himself from catholics? no, in the year 800 and change, the vatican built a wall around the vatican to protect themselves from muslims who had over run most of europe.

  14. Name says:

    The Pope should welcome the refugees inside the Vatican, the way he suggests other nations do. Try just one day.

    1. hardhardedhanna says:

      you are right , name. the pope and the vatican have more than enough acreage and land to put them all on. they can all live together and show the rest of the world how the muslims will live in peace and harmony with them. hahahahaha. these popes are not fools, folks, they are slick, and love money, not jesus

      1. Vatican City is really quite small.

    2. RedOnTheHead says:

      He better learn how to say “No thank you, I do not wish to engage in brutal anal rape.” in Pashtun, Farsi and Arabic first.

      1. KDC says:

        And in Italian, if you get my drift.

  15. Lee McLaughlin says:

    ” Going into the trip, many pundits expected Trump to humiliate himself with boorish conduct, and in turn, embarrass America.

    But just like on Election Night, Trump proved the doubters wrong. ”

    I quote above and it should have said but just like on election night, Trump proved the doubters wrong, yet again and again and again.

    1. SGirl says:

      The liberals are disgusting hypocrites…they scorn Trump for his male locker room talk but yet give ole Billy boy a pass on using the White House/Oval Office as a whore house…makes me furious!!

  16. IluvmyUSA says:

    First of all there can be, nor will there be peace among religions. Especially, with religions who desire world domination. We will not survive as a nation with every religion and culture in the world having the right of freedom of religion and expression. The end result will be what we now have with Muslims and illegal immigrants receiving special rights all the while the freedom and rights of Americans are set on the back burner or totally dismissed.

  17. Brad Beohler says:

    As is the case for all Trump voters (i.e. believers in the constitution, the bill of rights, and market driven capitalism), I am not at all surprised that President Trump was extraordinary on his first international trip. We always new he was a great leader and would perform well on the world stage. It is an inexpressible relief that Hilary is not out there continuing the irresponsible, incompetent, and unAmerican policies on the unfit president that we had to tolerate the last eight years.

  18. Jane says:

    Two amazing men leading us!!!!

  19. dranalog says:

    President Trump is awesome! So glad I supported him, and will for the next 8 years..

  20. Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr. says:

    Why he would lower himself and meet the Pope,is beyond me. The Pope is a Catholic joke.! All he’s worrying about are walls and climate change. He never opens his mouth about the slaughter of innocent men women and children. He believes Catholics and Muslims worship the same God, so that I hope that would tell you where his faith lies . He’s trying to change the Catholic dogma to fit today free lifestyle, where if it feels good do it. And the church is silent, from the parishioners to the cardinals . That so-called church is nothing more than a money collecting organization .

    1. KDC says:

      And the worse thing is he says allah, Buddha and Christ are all the same God. He’s a heretic!

      1. There is only one God regardless of what one calls him or in what language.

        1. Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr. says:

          So how do you justify the Pope Francis saying who Catholics and who Muslims worship are the same God. The one I worship is all about love and forgiveness.

          1. I cannot speak for Pope Francis but I think he was just emphasizing that there is only “one” God. Our faith is NOT based on a Roman like belief in God where there are many God’s for different reasons. We have one jealous God to worship in spirit and truth and that is enough for us. True worship is to the God of Abraham.

          2. There is only one God… the Muslims worship a perversion of the true God and not the Christian God. Regardless there is but one God of the Trinity.

        2. KDC says:

          There is only one true living God. So it does matter who He is. He is NOT Allah, He is NOT Buddha, etc. His name is Jesus Christ and ONLY by that name can you be saved. So you’re wrong to say it doesn’t matter what one calls Him. His name is Yeshua. He’s the ONLY one that died for our sins and rose again from the dead and sits at the right hand of the father. Buddha, Allah, or any other false god are dead.

    2. Indeed the Pope is a far left liberal similar to Donald Trump. We are silent because we trust in Jesus who said that the Church will for all times be the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. Jesus further said of His Church that it will endure for all times. We believe Jesus.

      1. Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr. says:

        First Donald Trump is not a far left liberal . Second , over the years the “church” has been very corrupt. I am sure that Jesus Christ didn’t approve of what these Popes did. I’ll tell you who they are , #1 Pope Boniface vii
        2 Leo x
        3 Clement VI
        4 Urban II
        5 Julius III
        6 Stephen VI
        7 Sergius III
        8 Benedict IX
        9 John XII
        10 Alexander VI The Borgia

        I would say your church broke any covenant it had with Jesus. Just look up the ten worst Popes !!!

        1. There have been bad Popes and they are testimony of the veracity of Christ’s promises. The Church remains in the truth for 2000 years despite the “Gates of Hell” trying to prevail against her. Bad Popes indeed, departure from the truth, impossible lest Jesus is a liar.

        2. Woody says:

          Jesus knows all “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” — And they all walked away. — So you think 10 Popes with 266 that is a bad record. (4%)?? which is better than Jesus (God ) Himself who had an 8% error 1 out of 12. No organization on earth has had holier men than the Popes–many martyrs who died for Jesus including the first 19 starting with Peter (who had denied Him 3 times).

          1. Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr. says:

            I don’t believe that God has erred. I assumed your talking about Judas. Then God doesn’t know the future . You people like to give people supernatural powers. You pray to saints, to the Mary as though they were given the power to answer your prayers. Where does it say that in scripture? When Mary told those children to spray the rosary, I asked myself why. As I understand it, you say the Hail Mary 53 times, and the Lord’s prayer 7 . You are putting her on the same level as Jesus. Being able to hear millions of prayer requests at one time, same goers for the saints. I have read awhile back, that their is a movement to make Mary co-renderer. Now all of this sounds satanic ! All I can say believe what you will,and for your sake I hope you are right PS He is dead wrong concerning the god Muslims worship .
            .

          2. Woody says:

            None of your rant is Catholic teaching; the bride and groom at Cana went to Mary NOT to Jesus who was there;”They have no wine.” Mary’s intercession to her Son, caused the first miracle and He also came out earlier than He would have without her. A human is never on the same level as a God–more rubbish. There are over 50 saints in the Catholic Church who are incorrupt which medical science cannot explain. Jesus has always Blessed His Church with Miracles–none for 40,000 Prot churches founded by men without any authority. All of your errors are explained in the Catholic Catechism which you have never read which is obvious. it does no surprise me you think Mary is a co-reindeer.

          3. Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr. says:

            First I didn’t say that Mary is the co-redeemer . There was an article in the newspaper, which said that there were members of the Catholic church, who wanted to say she was a co-redeemer . As for the rest, if you want to pray to whom ever that’s up to you. But I had a nun tell me ,only Catholics are going to heaven. I questioned her ,and she mended her statement, sayings a few protestants will go . It’s like I said, for your sake, I hope your right !

          4. Woody says:

            i believe Mary is a co-redeemer; it is sooooo logical you would not get it AND SIMPLE “had Mary said NO with her free will to the Archangel Gabriel, you, I and the rest of us would be in hell; NO Savior. pS: you should never believe one nun–errors abound in every person even yourself. I have a friend who got in an argument with a priest 43 years ago and bragged “and I never been back since.” I said, “Congrats. You cheated yourself out of 43 years of the Body and Blood of Christ.”
            “Gee,” he said. ‘I never thought of that.”

          5. When a person is saved (future tense) that person becomes a part of the Body of Christ. All who are saved are part of Christ’s Church the Catholic Church. Those Protesting Christ’s Church are not in God’s will and we know what that will is since He prayed to His Father for unity among the faithful. That unity is represented by the only Church founded by Jesus the Catholic Church. The pastoral prayer of Jesus was:

            John 17 (KJV)

            17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
            2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
            3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
            4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
            5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
            6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
            7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
            8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
            9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
            10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
            11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
            12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
            13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
            14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
            15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
            16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
            17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
            18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
            19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
            20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
            21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
            22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
            23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
            24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
            25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
            26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

        3. Actually the entirety of Trump’s history is of being a far left liberal
          Democrat ideologue. He has been a Republican only long enough to run for POTUS. He was the one that gave us Obama when he was a Democrat insider and king maker in the party. It was with Trumps influence and money (much of the money Trump used to get Obama elected came directly from Trump’s friend George Soros through Trump). If it were not for Trump and Soros there would not have been a Obama Presidency. Trump’s Presidency promises to be a continuation of the Obama Presidency whom the Donald gloatingly called a “great President”.

    3. Woody says:

      While I do not agree with how the POPE put it, it is quite logical; There is ONLY ONE GOD. So if a Muslim says I worship God and the Pope says I worship God–they have t o worship the same God. Same as below

  21. truthseeker53 says:

    Vatican. Lucifer’s home office.

  22. GRAMPA says:

    Many fail to realize that Christ says we must protect our family. raise them in a moral way.if bending to muslim will to be friendly and lower barriers will endanger our family and allow for the standards of a terrorist that twists and uses religion for fear and control which path are we to choose? even a peaceful god would allow self defense and methods to protect and secure the religious life. The pope has no family to protect.would he not put up an arm to deflect a blow? Does he not realize to give in to the muslim will end Christianity? president Trump has but onechoice. he must protect his family that now extends to every American
    Grampa

  23. KDC says:

    I don’t know why they bother with the Pope. He’s a hypocrite. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. He lives in a walled city. So why is that? Who cares what his views are about what we do in America, I sure don’t! Further more, he’s a globalist. Let’s see how he does with the influx of Moslems in Italy. Oh, wait…it won’t affect him behind his wall enclosure.
    So Pres.Trump, you just keep on doing what you promised and build that wall. It’s the right thing for America. Let the socialist/communist’s comments fall by the wayside!

  24. Kiam Larsen says:

    Hey Mate, You forgot to say that the Pope also gave mister Trump a “Vatican Edict” (official paper) on Global Change & Warming” which is in “Support” of Paris deal. Conveniently Forgot that one didn’t you.

    1. Maria castro says:

      He is a comunista, who forgave Fidel and his brother “raulito”. Remember their motto, “the end justifies the means”. He is the False Pope

      1. KDC says:

        Petrus Romanus.

        1. Maria castro says:

          Maybe related to the Borgias. I never believed the Pope was Infallible…got in a lot of trouble because of it.

          1. Woody says:

            Infallible is NOT a teaching of the Church … “infallible in MATTER OF FAITH AND MORALS – ONLY.”

          2. Maria castro says:

            What morals?

          3. Woody says:

            you wouldn’t know like everything else

    2. Woody says:

      The Pope don’t run the U.S. Donald does

  25. Maria castro says:

    I am sure Melania helped him with that. She is a charming and private woman. The libtards have no class, they could never understand protocol, grace and finesse. But, they loved “Lucy”

  26. Richard Muccillo Nmd Dcm says:

    the poop is a plant and corrupt–he goes out on the balcony to give his blessing to people in courtyard–it says all you people get off my lawn

  27. Tallulah Cusati says:

    This popes is an, ‘A.H’. Always has been. Always will be. He should take a few hundred thousand ILLEGALS, migrants or refugees, into his home, Vatican City.

  28. John Hicks says:

    WHEN WILL THESE ASSES LEARN IT’S PRESIDENT TRUMP?

    1. He is only President for the leftists.

  29. Tins17 says:

    Obama is getting smaller everyday while Trump is getting bigger. #MAGA.

  30. sharank251 says:

    the pope is only infallible in church matter and then bound by Cannon Law. unfortunately people forget this fact. he is just another talking head in wordly matters.

  31. Oscar Pearson says:

    We love the wall around the Vatican!

  32. William M Klepper says:

    I think the pope understands Trump’s need to protect Americans from radical Islam; Turning the other cheek doesn’t work with them; they see it as a weakness. In a perfect Christian World, the wall wouldn’t be needed. But, like in Jerusalem. walls keep radicals separated from hurting each other. The end result: PEACE for the rest of us, pontiffs and Presidents, alike.

  33. kevin A Grumpy Old Man says:

    The last pope is anti Christ.

  34. ED Ballantine says:

    My cousin is a priest, so I hold no animosity toward the Catholic church. That said, This Pope is very out of touch with reality. Communisom does not work…

  35. FL Frank says:

    Muslims are taught to hate we infidels; don’t trust any of them !

  36. Lee McLaughlin says:

    With all due respect I think you are wrong. Walls were build to keep bad guys ( enemy ) out not in at least as far back as I can tell. Can you give me some proof of walls mainly ever being to keep people in with the exception of course of prison or pens for animals.

    1. Brad Beohler says:

      East Berlin

    2. Walls have never been effective at keeping anyone out. A wall is simply a psychological deterrent that gives those within a false sense of security.

  37. scrubbie says:

    When every single liberal, The Pope included, tears down their own walls, gates, fences and security systems, then we’ll talk.

  38. oldk says:

    The Catholic Church, all Christians, and the world will be well served when this Pope is gone. I hope they do not make a similar error next time.

    1. God chooses the Pope and God does not err. I also question why this Pope who made my Bishop retire because he was young and conservative (Archbishop Luis Tagle). This was repeated throughout the Church. The problem that Pope Francis had is that it is not he but the Holy Spirit that leads the Church. The Bible tells us that such actions cannot prevail against the Church.

  39. downs1 says:

    The left absolutely hates Donald Trump! They want him gone! Unfortunately, there is a factor they are totally missing, and wouldn’t believe it if they understood! Trump knows more about “reality” than anyone on the left, and he is working to bring about what he promised in his candidacy! The left wants to destroy America, while Donald Trump wants to make this nation great again! The “Russian” debacle is a ploy by the left to destroy Trump, but it will backfire and the left will look exactly like the damned fools they are! Watch! You can lie, lie, and lie some more, but that will never make it true, and in the end truth always wins! Always! The end is coming soon!

  40. Lee McLaughlin says:

    Yeah go figure.

  41. jong says:

    I would not trust this pope further than I could throw him. He is a liberation theologist.

    1. I would not go that far but close.

  42. Thomas Hart says:

    Finally a POTUS who had the guts to tell self centered selfish Europeans, and especially the wealthy Germans, that they were not paying their fair share in their own defense. They have not been for many many years. Only the Brits have maintained a modern military capable of joining with America in a time of need. The rich Germans sit back and let the rest pay when they are fully capable of contributing in their own defense. They may publically complain but they know Trump again is right on target.

  43. StopTheJews says:

    I am Catholic but to be honest this Pope is a freak and a phony. All religions are loaded with hypocrites and weirdos. Israel is the Holy Landed loaded with queers , pedophiles and drug addicts. Jews are killing America. Please honor the USS LIBERTY Israel attack that killed and wounded 208 Americans. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2800f810c831a232a06f45088494b1f06694d0cc7280a6eecdbfc2e5ae9b17d6.jpg

  44. David in MA says:

    President Trump could have been carried into these countries in a casket and would have been better recieved than the illegal muslim Kenyan.

  45. fred schramm says:

    Building a wall isnt Christian…well neither is the pope and the catholic church. I would not wear that medal are even keep it might have evil spirits connected to it. Just remember the pope ia a globalist and believes in climate change.

    1. StopTheJews says:

      The Jews destroying America is not Christian. IT IS ONE NATION UNDER GOD NOT JEWS.

  46. Mt Native says:

    Embarrassing this country was obummers job and he did it very well.

    1. StopTheJews says:

      Bush the biggest liar and scumbag. CLINTON BUSH AND OBAMA OWN BY THE JEWISH MAFIA EMPIRE. Obama a queer cocaine drug user and pusher! Bush not any better. BUSH AND CHENEY two DUIs each .

  47. EE says:

    A false pope is he, another socialist enemy from within.

    1. He is not a false Pope but was installed by Christ working through the Cardinals. He is definitely a liberal but I think calling him a socialist is extreme. I came into the priesthood under Pope John Paul II who was the first Pope to allow married clergy. I am a married man with children and grandchildren. I am to the far right of the ideological spectrum. So there is a healthy mixture of liberals and conservatives within the Church as Christ would have it. We keep each other from being ideologically extreme in either direction.

  48. Lee McLaughlin says:

    OK now you are just being difficult. So our conversation is over with if you are just going to voice your own opinion rather then facts.

  49. AL ELLIS says:

    If it’s so un-Christian why isn’t the Pope tearing down the wall around Vatican City? I can’t stand hypocrisy especially from someone that pontificates

  50. bouboulina says:

    You need only see the saturnine expression on the face of this pope & compare it to John Paul II’s to realize that he is definitely not a truly holy person. Worse still, his pronouncements & actions are those of someone perfectly aligned with the utterly disastrous, disloyal previous squatter in the White House. There is something rotten in the Vatican.

  51. daledor says:

    This pope is not to be trusted.He promotes the New World Order and unification of all religions. True Christianity can not and will not compromise with beliefs the antipathetic to its core beliefs – not religion but the way of life by God.

    1. Evil Nonsense. We are called to reach out to all men in Christ’s name. Jesus said to those of us who are his that we are to become one. The separation into tens of thousands of Protestant sects each with some truth and copious error is not the unity that Christ desires and prayed for. It is the work of Satan and not of Christ. There is no greater evil than division within the Body of Christ.

      1. daledor says:

        I love all people but oppose evil. How can blessing shaman’s, Buddhists, Hindu’s, Muslims, and Christian’s come from the same hand. Jesus is the ONLY Son of God. His Father was God and He was/is/shall always be the Word of God that was with the Father in the beginning before any creation of angels or universe. He is the One Who spoke all creation into existence and Hands on made Adam and Eve from Adam.

        The Word became flesh and dwelled among us. Mary just carried the Word we know as Jesus, God in an earth suit. She is saved by Jesus sacrifice just like you and I. She was human and no way near the level of the eternal Son of God – creation not Creator. What a privilege and honor she has to carry God inside of her. Indeed blessed above all women. Jesus was her Savior as well as ours the eternal Son of God Who was the ONLY ONE Who could save mankind.

        When Adam and Eve fell, God promised to send HIS Savior. Satan/Lucifer did all that he could to stop God’s plans of salvation again and again but failed. Jesus LET Himself be beaten and crucified to complete the plan He and His Father God made from before the founding of the earth – being omniscient/knowing all – but choosing to be the Savior, doing what no mere man could do. Though He stripped Himself of His own Diety, as the second Adam He defeated Satan/Lucifer being sinless and completing the plans to be the Lamb that would be slaughtered – the final sacrifice, no more needed, for the sins of mankind. He resurrected Himself by His own Words speaking openly to the priests that “the Temple will be destroyed and I,I,I,I will raise it in 3 days.” He got mocked because they though it was the Temple building – silly to them – they did not know that the Temple was HIM.

        The agony He endured on the cross is nothing compared to Him having to tell those who rejected His Salvation that they can’t be with Him in Heaven. He died for all mankind. John 3:17 “For God came not into the world to condemn the world but to save it.”

        JESUS IS LORD OF ALL. All creation will bow before Him – the faithful angels, the fallen ones, the demons from Nephalim, ALL humans, all Created beings will declare JESUS IS LORD.

        You can pray to a pope or a priest if you like but all power and glory comes from God and proceeds to God. Jesus commanded how to pray. “Our Father Who art in Heaven —” Then He said, “pray in MY NAME.” I do not see pray to a father on earth or priest but a direct connection through Jesus to God the Father. Prayer of agreement and even confession to a brother or sister or preacher or priest or pope is no good if not in faith/trust in God believing that God hears YOU. When we go to Heaven NO ONE IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR SOULS BUT US. Did we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior?? There is another judgment of what we did with Jesus salvation by our good works that followed obedience to God and His Word. “You are saved by faith (trust in Jesus) not works, it is a gift of God (ONLY)” There is no other way to salvation except through the Son. It is PERSONAL not dependent upon anyone but God — the connection of God and the individual.

        1. Where do you get such nonsense? It is NOT acceptable for anyone to pray to a Pope or to a Priest. Catholics are forbidden to do so. All prayers are directed to God only. Jesus commanded us to confess to one another our sins. No one that I know of who claims Christianity believes that it is good works that save us but instead that good works are evidence of our salvation. You seem like a very confused person.
          You seem desperate to justify your disobedience to Jesus by not being in His Church that he prayed we all be one in unity within. Jesus wanted us to separate from the division and deceit of the man-made sects pretending to be a church called Protestantism. Faith precedes works. You fail the test of obedience to God by ignoring his commandment to be one in unity in His Church, the Catholic Church called in the Bible the “pillar and foundation of the truth”.

          1. Woody says:

            Not true; I have 60 saints praying with me on my prayer Team when I talk to God each night…led by my favorites Pio, 3 Terry’s.

          2. What are you saying is not true?

          3. Woody says:

            Oh, thou weak of Faith.

          4. Nonsense! The following will explain why I disciplined you about putting stumbling blocks before others:

            Romans 14:13

            Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this–not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way.

            Isaiah 57:14

            And it will be said, “Build up, build up, prepare the way, Remove every obstacle out of the way of My people.”

            1 Corinthians 1:23

            but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

            Revelation 2:14

            ‘But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality.

            Leviticus 19:14

            ‘You shall not curse a deaf man, nor place a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall revere your God; I am the LORD.

            Malachi 2:7

            “For the lips of a priest should preserve knowledge, and men should seek instruction from his mouth; for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

            Malachi 2:8

            “But as for you, you have turned aside from the way; you have caused many to stumble by the instruction; you have corrupted the covenant of Levi,” says the LORD of hosts.

            Matthew 16:23

            But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”

            Matthew 23:13

            “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

            Luke 11:52

            “Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering.”

            1 Corinthians 8:9

            But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.

            1 John 2:10

            The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him.

          5. Why would you make such a comment?

          6. Kol says:

            How to Distinguish a True Christian from a Hypocrite – Founders …

            http://www.biblestudytools.com/…/how-to-distinguish-a-true-christian-from-a-hypocrite.ht...

            Here are 5 signs of a hypocrite and 5 signs of a true follower of Jesus. … exists to work for the recovery of the gospel and the biblical re-formation of local churches. … Here are some ways in which the hypocrite may be like the Christian. ….. Bible Reading Plan · Old Testament · New Testament · Bible Verse of the Day · Audio …

          7. Kol says:

            What Does the Bible Say About Religious Hypocrites? – OpenBible.info

            https://www.openbible.info/topics/religious_hypocrites

            Bible verses about Religious Hypocrites. … Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to …
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            … on Pinterest. | See more about Hypocrite quotes, Ministry quotes and Christian living. … See More. Hypocrite Christians | Finally, a promise from scripture;.

          8. Woody says:

            Strange now you are agreeing with me ‘it is okay” to pray to the saints.”

          9. Remember that I am a former Protestant and I know that for some Protestants who are not biblically astute the fact that we ask the saints to pray for us and with us is a stumbling block for them. We must differentiate the prayers made directly to God and those where we ask the Church triumphant to pray for and with us. A Protestant thinks that it is bypassing God but as we know the prayers of the righteous are of great benefit. We are called to help fulfill Jesus’ will that we all be one as the divisions represented by Protestantism are not of God’s will. We must not present stumbling blocks to that unity desired by our Savior. Remember their desire is to twist teaching to avoid the obvious message of Scripture for unity. For some, if they unify with Christ’s Church they are admitting what they see is obvious apostasy. They actually think that we attribute miracles to other than Christ and we fail to communicate that Christ is about fulfilling the righteous requests of His children. We know that all miracles are through the power of Jesus but they through prejudice desire to see it differently and as a result misunderstand that we are not taking God out of the action received by our prayers.

            We must make it clear that it is Christ that allows the miracles from the Saints from His authority and not authority outside of the Grace of God. In this case it is not a problem with what you said but how you said it. Remember they are clinging to their false churches to support their prejudice. It is for us to point out the frivolity of their arguments. A conversion of a Protestant is overcoming their pridefulness in their man-made sect and humbling them to come into Christ’s own Church and reject their man-made counterfeit. IOW’s, we are called to assist the Holy Spirit and not support their prejudice wrongfully because of a difference in our language and theirs. Sometimes our explanations come across as Greek, which they do not understand, when we should be explaining to them in English. I apologize if I insulted you but was woefully inadequate in explaining my reasoning. I was not opposed to what you said but how you said it.

    2. Woody says:

      Yah, I wouldn’t trust Mickey Mouse either!

    3. If the Pope did not promote unity then he would not be doing God’s will. Jesus said, “let them be one”. That unity is the primary calling of the vicar of Christ the Pope.

      1. daledor says:

        Oh yes, the Pope is drawing ALL religions together just as the Bible says the wicked false prophet who support the man of perdition/son of Satan would.

        You can not mix oil and vinegar. You can not mix TRUE Christianity and pagan religions. If you think you can you are deceived or deceive yourself. Jesus said, Matt 10: 34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household..37“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.”

        Jesus was not cruel here but follow the greatest of all commands and was contrasting and prioritizing this commandment. “Love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, and strength — and LOVE your neighbor as yourself.” This fulfilled ALL the LAWS of GOD.

        Love and hate do not mix. Light and darkness do not mix. Good and evil do not mix. Jesus contrasted that love of ANYTHING above love of God is hateful. All AGAPE/Sacrificial without demand Love comes from God. Laying down ones life for a friend crosses over into Agape love. Putting ANYONE or ANYTHING or ANY POPE/PREACHER/WHOEVER on the same level of God is blasphemous.

        Jesus explained how to pray in Matthew 6: “9“This, then, is how you should pray:
        “ ‘Our Father in heaven,hallowed be your name, 10your kingdom come, your will be done,on earth as it is in heaven. ——–” NOTICE, Jesus did not say to pray TO a priest or a Pope but to the Father God in His the Son’s Name. I like most priests and Pope’s I have seen but still follow God’s Word not mans.

        Jesus is the Head of His Church and though He gives preachers, teachers, etc to the Church to strengthen it — they are merely parts of the Body/Church not above the Body in function and purpose. The Head tells the Body what to do, how to function, and if the Head/Brain is gone the body is also dead. Thus anyone following a man vs Jesus, assuming what that man/woman says is from God, insults the Holy Spirit of God that indwells them and seals their salvation, comforts them, teaches them what the Bible means (as The AUTHOR), etc. To place anyone – Mary, Pope, preacher, teacher, etc on the same plane as God is blasphemy because they came from Adam’s race and though the Word of God/Son of God took on an earth suit ONLY HE never sinned and restored mankind to God by His sacrifice. Jesus was the 2nd Adam doing what the first could not NOR COULD ANY born of Adam do. Jesus was Born of God/was God in an earth suit that Mary carried in her, a special woman but of Adam’s race. Mary had to believe in Jesus like all the believers since Adam have. Before Jesus people were saved believing the promise given Adam and Eve after they fell that God would send a Savior. When Jesus said “it is finished” salvation for Adam’s race was purchased. We must believe to receive His GIFT, a GIFT no man could purchase. Mary received that GIFT along with Abraham, me, and all the saints before and after Jesus.

        Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” NO NAME BUT JESUS!

        1. Kol says:

          When it Comes to Hateful Internet Speech, Christians Are the Worst …

          https://www.onfaith.co/onfaith/2014/07/17/…hateful-internet…christians…/33131

          Jul 17, 2014 – The Internet is clearly a place for a lot of hateful people, including hateful Christians, to sound off. If they are anonymous, they can be the worst …

          Yes, Christians Spew the Most ‘Hateful Internet Speech’ — Charisma …

          http://www.charismanews.com/…/44751-yes-christians-spew-the-most-hateful-internet-spee...

          Jul 23, 2014 – When it comes to hateful Internet speech, Christians are the worst. That’s the headline of an article by Washington Post columnist and OnFaith …

        2. Jesus said of the Church he founded the Catholic Church that it is the enduring “pillar and foundation of the Truth”. Jesus prayed that all who are His be one in His Church. You can ignore this to your own destruction but the man-made counterfeits from Satan of His Church will never have the veracity of Christ.

          1. Woody says:

            Veracity?

            Leading pro-life organizations are already weighing in on the Supreme Court nomination of Justice Neil Gorsuch. Top pro-life groups say if you like pro-life Justice Antonin Scalia then you’ll like him too.
            Today, the National Right to Life Committee commended President Donald Trump for his selection of Judge Neil Gorsuch to fill the U.S. Supreme Court seat vacated by the February 2016 death of Justice Antonin Scalia.
            “All too often, our efforts to protect unborn children and other vulnerable humans have been overridden by judges who believe they have a right to impose their own policy preferences,” said Carol Tobias, president of National Right to Life. “We are heartened that Judge Gorsuch appears to share Justice Scalia’s view that federal judges are constrained to enforce the text and original intent of constitutional provisions, and on all other matters should defer to democratically elected lawmakers.”
            SIGN THE PETITION! Vote to Confirm Supreme Court Nominee Neil Gorsuch
            Tobias said that, as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit since 2006, Gorsuch has not reviewed any state or federal abortion laws. However, he showed support for conscience rights in two cases involving Obamacare mandates. He dissented from a ruling hostile to Utah’s attempts to curb funding for Planned Parenthood (Planned Parenthood Association of Utah v. Herbert). Gorsuch’s 2006 book The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia argued against the legalization of assisted suicide, and defended the idea that “human life is fundamentally and inherently valuable, and that the intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong.”
            “Pro-life legislators and activists nationwide can have high confidence that as a Supreme Court justice, Neil Gorsuch will not join those who have nullified past efforts to protect the lives of unborn children and other vulnerable humans,” said Douglas D. Johnson, Senior Policy Advisor for National Right to Life.
            Susan B. Anthony List president Marjorie Dannenfelser also praised the Gorsuch selection.
            “President Trump has made an exceptional choice in nominating Neil Gorsuch to carry on the legacy of the late Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court,”: she told LifeNews.
            She added: “In nominating Judge Gorsuch, President Trump has kept his promise to nominate only pro-life judges to the Supreme Court. Judge Gorsuch is a distinguished jurist with a strong record of protecting life and religious liberty, as evidenced by his opinions in the Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of the Poor cases, and in his doctoral dissertation in which he wrote that ‘human life is fundamentally and inherently valuable.’ In the coming days, we will mobilize the pro-life grassroots nationwide and in key Senate battleground states to urge the Senate to swiftly confirm Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. Should pro-abortion Democratic Senators choose to filibuster this immensely qualified nominee, they do so at their own political peril.”
            Family Research Council Tony Perkins, who attended the White House announcement, released the following statement to LifeNews.com:
            “I was pleased to witness President Trump follow through on his promise and select a nominee from the list he presented during the campaign. The president has been very clear on the type of justices that he would appoint: textualists who will not issue rulings based on the shadows of the Constitution.
            “In the third presidential debate, Donald Trump drove home his point about the type of Supreme Court nominees that he would select. I believe that moment in the debate helped sealed the deal with millions of social conservative voters. In fact, exit polling found that 21 percent of voters pointed to the Supreme Court as the ‘most important factor driving their vote’ and Trump won that group by 16 points.
            “Judge Gorsuch’s record over the last 14 years, especially on religious liberty, gives Americans every reason to believe he will make a fine Supreme Court justice. His reputation as a judge with integrity and dedication to the Constitution should be an encouragement to all Americans.
            “We are committed to working with President Trump and senators to help move the grassroots to gain the confirmation of Judge Gorsuch. This will be a battle but I am confident the president will get his nominee confirmed,” concluded Perkins.
            “We want to express our thanks to President Trump for nominating a man of such stellar quality as Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court,” said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. “One of the reasons I endorsed Trump for president was because of the strong promises he made to pro-life leaders. Now, after less than two weeks in office, he is keeping those promises, and we are very encouraged. He has proved himself to be a man of his word.”

          2. I do not care that he believes in religious liberty but what I care about is the lives of the unborn and the abortion of children. Neil Gorsuch says that abortion is settled law and therefore he will do nothing to protect the unborn. He takes the same stance on marriage enforcing same sex unions as marriage and settled law. To me and other reasonable people Trump has broken his promise to nominate a judge who would protect the unborn by nominating a judge that will do nothing but confirm abortion as the law in America. IOW’s, Trump has broken his promise and America now has the most far left judge to ever be in SCOTUS and tht is NOT a good thing for the unborn or for the institution of marriage. When Trump made his promise and then broke it with Gorsuch he confirmed once again that he is a liar and can not be trusted and still the far left liberal Democrat he has historically been. Do you not see that the facts belie Trump’s rhetoric?

          3. Kol says:

            Well, let’s face reality… all the people Trump has appointed are sociopaths! Just like him!

          4. Woody says:

            I see the happiness of the Little Sisters of the Poor and others like her, unlike their sadness under your guy – BO.

          5. Woody says:

            What I gave you above is NOT Trump’s rhetoric–it is Catholic pro-life Organizations including Priests for Life.

          6. Kol says:

            What’s Really Behind the Catholic Church’s Sexual Abuse Problem …

            http://www.alternet.org/…/what%27s_really_behind_the_catholic_church%27s_sexual_abus...

            May 19, 2010 – Priests do have greater access to males than to females within Catholicism’s sex-segregated communities — there are no altar girls. Priests …

            Priest: Here’s Why Bishops Cover Up Abuse | The American …

            http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/priest-bishops-cover-up/

            Feb 4, 2013 – Here is an extraordinary e-mail from a Roman Catholic priest who …. It is true that the validity of the sacraments do not depend on the ….. I know of this same problem happening in commercial gyms regarding homosexual harassment. … As a rule I don’t trust internet research — especially on a topic such as …

            A Gay Sex Harassment Case Gives a Glimpse of Vatican Orgies

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/a-gay-sex-harassment-case-gives-a-glimpse-of-vatican-orgies

            Apr 10, 2015 – A Gay Sex Harassment Case Gives a Glimpse of Vatican Orgies … If only there was an online hookup site especially for gay priests, perhaps it … “He wanted me to do everything,” Baldon said, according to Corriere Della Sera …

            Lovestruck female parishioner convicted of harassing ‘traumatised …

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Lovestruck-female-parishioner-convicted-harassing-traumatis...

            Mar 3, 2008 – He was a highly regarded parish priest, devoted to his flock. … Father Menezes is said to have found the harassment traumatic. ….. ‘I do deserve it’: Bethenny Frankel mulls $16.5 million townhouse as ….. Nina Agdal shows ex Leonardo DiCaprio what he’s missing by posting lingerie shot online Posed on a …

            What is the cause of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church?

            https://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-abuse.html

            Why are there pedophile priests in the Roman Catholic Church? … Why does pedophilia seem to be such a common problem among Roman Catholic priests?

            Catholic Church sexual abuse cases – Wikipedia

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

            Cases of child sexual abuse by Catholic priests, nuns and members of religious orders, and ….. Such lawsuits can be brought in cases where a person or entity—such as a school, church, or youth organization—was … should be afforded certain procedural safeguards to protect them from harassment during the legal process.

            The Atlantic Online | Flashbacks | A Time to Change

            https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/catholicism.htm

            By investing the Church and its priests with absolute authority, lay Catholics have …. “The priesthood is forever—Tu es sacerdos in aeternum—we do not return the … Tales of sexual harassment by both faculty members and fellow classmates …

            Pope Francis to investigate ‘playboy priests’ who posed naked online …

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk › News › World News › Europe › Vatican City and Holy See

            Oct 23, 2014 – A Catholic church representative is to probe the ‘black sheep’ diocese of Albenga-Imperia for alleged sexual harassment of parishioners and …

            Petition · Stop the Priests: Bullying and Harassment not kosher In the …

            https://www.change.org/…/cardinal-dolan-the-council-of-bishops-in-the-usa-pope-ben…

            When a priest blows the whistle for harassment, intimidation, exclusion, social … I still do not know why you escorted three police officers into the Church on …

            Lawsuit accuses Stockton priest of sexual harassment – Lodinews.com …

            http://www.lodinews.com/news/article_baa95f34-611e-11e6-a579-0fc03006e769.html

            Aug 12, 2016 – Allegations of sexual harassment have surfaced against Monsignor Lawrence McGovern, the pastor of Presentation Catholic Parish in Stockton …

          7. The people to blame are those who perpetrated these evil acts.

            Pope Benedict is the one has labored to end all abuse in the Church and he has been very successful. Almost all of the abuse happened before Pope Benedict became the Pope and most happened when he was a young priest as the abuse in the news happened 40 to 60 years ago and the perpetrators are dead or quite elderly. In fact most of the accusers are elderly themselves. It is interesting to note that very little of the alleged abuse is sexual but consisted of whipping or striking children for discipline purposes in school. In Ireland it was often the punishment in what one would call reform schools. Often these were problem children to begin with. Then some of the so called sexual abuse occurred between priests and older homosexual boys. Such was not illegal but certainly scandalous, evil and outside the vows of celibacy.

            When some accuse the Church of cover-up it is usually because the Church was trying to reform these homosexual priests by sending them to psychiatric treatment. Fifty or sixty years ago this made some sense since it was believed that homosexuality can be cured and they believed this aberrant behavior could be changed with counseling. In retrospect we now know that this cannot be cured or treated successfully. So the Church in these cases were mislead by the psychiatric community and believed they were doing the charitable thing in seeking treatment for these individuals. When they were declared cured by the doctors they were sometimes returned to ministry.

            Pope Benedict has long before becoming the Pope made it policy that anyone accused of these crimes are to be removed immediately from ministry. He has also instituted church wide training for all those in the Church having to deal with children as well as background checks for everyone in contact with children. Consequently the Church is now one of the safest places for children. In fact over the last 2 years in the US there have been only 8 allegations of child sexual abuse and the pattern is that only 10% of these allegations have any merit. That compares of more than 250 allegations a month among Protestant clergy. Most allegations are made to extort money from the Church.

            The current wave of allegations are made by a lawyer who has made a career of suing the Church with the help of some accomplices in the press. The current charges refer to cases many decades old where the alleged perpetrators are dead and unable to defend themselves. One might ask why it took 40-60 years to come forward with these allegations.

            Some are trying desperately to connect Pope Benedict to these cases. They report that Pope Benedict knew of one case and refused to bring that person to canonical trial. As we find out, when the Pope was told of the abuser the trial and investigation was ongoing and the alleged perpetrator died two days after Pope Benedict was made aware of his alleged crimes. Pope Benedict never stopped the priests trial as is being erroneously reported. The fact is what we have seen from the Holy Father is a zero tolerance for abuse and a brilliant strategy to end the abuse in all areas of the Church and not just the priesthood.

            Milwaukee church judge clarifies case of abusive priest Father Murphy

            Certainly there may have been something more that could have been done in the past and certainly some Bishops responded incorrectly to these allegations. We must remember however that these are the evil sins of individuals and not the Church. Jesus told us that the Church would be under attack from within and without.He also told us of the spiritual battles we must fight saying, using warfare vernacular, to put on the armor of God. We fight against Satan and his minions of demons but we also carry out the our defense against those who have been predisposed out of hatred and bigotry towards the Church. We must accept their insults by the example given to us by our Lord and turn the other cheek. In a sense we should be encouraged in our faith by what is transpiring because it is the fulfilling of a prophesy given by our Lord who said that the world would hate us as it hated Him. The accusations against the Church are examples of that hatred as one would logically and charitably condemn the perpetrators of the acts instead of the Church. In the undeserved attacks, the Church becomes a victim and it takes away from the true victims and trivializes their suffering. In spite of all this the Church continues to do everything possible to stop these evil acts and to support the true victims of the crimes. God bless!

            In Christ
            Fr. Joseph

          8. Kol says:

            Despite your attempts to play it down, sexual abuse has been VERY widespread in the Catholic Church. It makes you uncomfortable, no doubt, but you should not distort things the way you so frequently do! That’s not very “priestly” behavior! It’s tantamount to l-y-i-n-g!!!

            https://www.google.com/search?q=great+deal+of+sexual+abuse+in+catholic+church&oq=great+deal+of+sexual+abuse+in+catholic+church&aqs=chrome.0.57.8956j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

          9. Woody says:

            Not really; it is about 3% of Priests–97% great priests. In 1988 when the gays met and decided to infiltrate Jesus Church to bring it down financially- it happened except it did not bring it down. Jesus said, “i will be with you (His Church) till the End of Days. 48% of Protestant Ministers have affairs with their flock (they of course do not track ait) but this data comes from their Insurance records. God Bless

          10. What? I have never tried to defend abuse but instead I have tried to put it onto proper perspective which is that it is extremely rare,in the Church which has the lowest incidence of abuse than any ecclesiastical group. That being said there should not be any abuse. The Church has adopted a zero tolerance policy some 20 years ago with abuse. “Widespread” is hyperbole and instead it is very rare but it is fuel for those that have a hatred for Christ’s own Church and a love for their man-made counterfeits to what Christ personally founded and whom has His promise of an enduring Church that will never fall into apostasy

          11. Kol says:

            You sound extremely naive. LOL! Or very anti-R-E-A-L-I-T-Y!!
            Or is it both!?!

          12. Woody says:

            You are naive to believe that it occurs ONLY in the Catholic Church. Sin is in all churches and human society – ask Jesus (Isn’t that the reason He came and died for us?)

          13. Woody says:

            Sin is in every church, not only the Catholic Church; protestant churches avoid it by not tracking it at all; but we find out from their insurance companies, just like 48% of ministers have affairs with their congregations which their flocks know about. 97% of Catholic priests are not molesting anyone.

  52. Patriot159 says:

    With such a successful foreign trip, the Demonrats surly are hard at work trying to find some impeachable offence Trump may have committed while over seas…

  53. Jeff Varnell says:

    Actually the Pope/Trump feud is a media invention and no feud actually existed. http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/bill-donohue/pope-trump-feud-pure-media-hype

  54. William Collins says:

    And Obama refused to say “Islamic Terrorism!”

    1. Woody says:

      Why would a Muslim say “Islamic Terrorism?”

      1. Kol says:

        You Are More Than 7 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Right-Wing Extremist Than By A Muslim Terrorist …

        https://thinkprogress.org/you-are-more-than-7-times-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-

        Nov 30, 2015 – Though the details of Robert Lewis Dear’s motives for killing three people in the clinic and injuring nine others are still being revealed, Dear .

        1. Woody says:

          Right–2500 hardcore Muslim terrorists are on their way here right now since Australia rejected them and have been invited here by BO which the State Dept keeps hidden.

          1. Kol says:

            Did the mental hospital test too many drugs on you today?

          2. Woody says:

            Because you are not a knowledgeable person we cannot help you!

          3. Kol says:

            https://media1.giphy.com/media/Vo9NON8faMYhO/giphy.gif

            Why do anti-Muslim bigots constantly spew SNOT??

          4. Woody says:

            “Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.” Thanks Jesus and “Many are called but few are chosen.” Thanks Jesus Some never want the Truth.

          5. Kol says:

            What Does the Bible Say About False Christians? – OpenBible.info

            https://www.openbible.info/topics/false_christians

            For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel ..

          6. Woody says:

            Nothing false about Shariah Law and attacking little 5 year olds:

            Muslim Migrants Who Sexually Assaulted a 5-Year-Old Girl in Idaho Get Probation

          7. Kol says:

            What Does the Bible Say About Religious Hypocrites? – OpenBible.info

            https://www.openbible.info/topics/religious_hypocrites

            Bible verses about Religious Hypocrites. … Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to …

          8. Woody says:

            Like really CARE? How about this little girl with your friends?

            Muslim Migrants Who Sexually Assaulted a 5-Year-Old Girl in Idaho Get Probation

          9. Kol says:

            You wrongfully judge and then viciously condemn 1.5 BILLION people — `1/4 of the world’s total population based on that one terrorist act by a few people who in no way truly represent Islamic culture!?! How “Christian” of you!! Hate is one of your Christian “values”???

            What Does the Bible Say About Religious Hypocrites? – OpenBible.info

            https://www.openbible.info/topics/religious_hypocrites

            “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others.

          10. Woody says:

            I’m sure you would visit this little girl:

            Muslim Migrants Who Sexually Assaulted a 5-Year-Old Girl in Idaho Get Probation

          11. Kol says:

            I’m sure you’re a rotten, snot-nosed FAKE “Christian” son of a bitch.

            Yes, Christians Spew the Most ‘Hateful Internet Speech’ — Charisma …

            http://www.charismanews.com/…/44751-yes-christians-spew-the-most-hateful-internet-spee...

            Jul 23, 2014 – When it comes to hateful Internet speech, Christians are the worst. That’s the headline of an article by Washington Post columnist and OnFaith

          12. Woody says:

            Why are you always wrong not nice to the people on here viewing you–where is the mental hospital now?

            “World Net Daily ·

            The Obama Administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia … resettlement contractor), the question remains: Why resettle Australia’s unwanted refugees in the …

          13. Kol says:

            World Net Daily? Now I know YOU’re totally nuts! ROFL! It’s had the reputation for years of being total crap! You’re a waste of time.

            WND – RationalWiki

            rationalwiki.org/wiki/WND

            WND (formerly WorldNetDaily or, as it was affectionately known to its fans, … When an article isn’t solely dedicated to selling crap from their store, you can be …

            An Irritated World Net Daily Denounces Terrible Reviews | Southern …

            https://www.splcenter.org/…/05/…/irritated-world-net-daily-denounces-terrible-review…

            An Irritated World Net Daily Denounces Terrible Reviews. May 10, 2010 … “Ridiculous crap” — a New York Daily News editor. • “Absolute crap” — a Huffington …

  55. vincent deredita says:

    They are all praising PRESIDENT TRUMP!!! I was so glad they showed the clip when the NIGGER got off the plain and received the COLD SHOULDER!!!

  56. Michael James McDaniel says:

    This post would make Orwell swell with pride!

  57. J. Ernst says:

    The katholick dogma is to assimilate ALL… BUT allow the assimilated to “keep” their “culture” so as to maintain their identity.
    Having been raised RC till my awakening at 12…I realized that CHRISTIANITY or CHRIST’S teaching:
    DOES NOT teach children they are “BORN WITH SIN”,
    Does NOT assimilate but instead FREES the person from false pretext and dogma,
    Does NOT “guide the masses” but instead promotes REAL LIBERTY of the people enmasse,
    Does NOT create an “ARMY of minions”,
    DOES NOT base “its” understanding AND worship upon a statue of a DEAD MAN ON A STICK!!! That somehow the inculcation of Christ’s “death on a stick” is the focal point OF Christianity….
    Christianity DOES NOT create statues, amulets, ICONS etc… to worship. There is pagan AND cristian idolatry.
    CHRISTIANITY or CHRIST’S TEACHING is solely based on HEALING!!!
    Christianity has ALWAYS BEEN CO-OPTED by the communist dogma…which IS talmudic, rabbinical pretexts and protocols. Therefore, I opine that there are hundreds of millions of sheeple and goyim/kafir I call cristians because they base their acceptance and tolerance towards their “fellow man” and his her “culture” as something to kindly be at peace with…..till the LAWS and DOCTRINES ONCE AGAIN CALL FOR the destruction of the very sheeple who “accept anything and believe in NOTHING”.
    ALL throughout man’s history, genocide has been practiced and approved by MANY potentates and societies.
    The pope is a zionist/communist and RULES like a high rabbi AND/OR a HIGH IMAM over their subjects.
    Christ taught how to BE what GOD created.
    Hell’s bell’s, there are many in euro-land that claim a new Charlemagne is coming…a new Hitler all based on the old “Holy Roman Empire”.
    NAAAH…not possible in such modern times….right?

    1. Woody says:

      Jesus “That ALL may be ONE!” Thank you God

      1. Indeed, the Protestants are outside of God’s will. It is clear from the Bible and other sources that Jesus wanted unity in His Church and not the confusion of all the man-made counterfeit sects calling themselves a church.

        1. Woody says:

          Agree, except the Bible is not always “clear.” We, Catholics, lived for 5-6 centuries without the Bible and it never really took off until Gutenberg–1440.

    2. Woody says:

      Awakening? See living proof here when One leaves Jesus ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC Church as attested to by all Christians at Nicea–one becomes perfectly stupid.

    3. Woody says:

      Jesus Died: (His suffeering delineated)

      Armed Roman Soldiers: 150 Times
      Those who trailed me: 23
      Executions of injustice: 83
      Blows to My Head: 150
      Those on My Stomach: 108
      Kicks on My Shoulder: 80
      Bound by cords by Hair: 24 Times
      Spits in My Face: 180
      Beaten on My Body: 6666 Times
      Beaten on the Head: 110 Times
      At 12 o’clock: Lifted by Hair
      Pulled by Beard: 23 Times
      Wounds on the Head: 20
      Thorns of Marin Junks: 72
      Pricks of thorns in the Head: 110
      Mortal Thorns in the Head: 3
      Wounds on My Body: 1000
      Soldiers wo lead Me to Calvary: 608
      Those Who watched Me: 3
      Those who Mocked Me: 1008
      Drops of My Blood (ALL): 28,430

    4. Did you write this to display your ignorance to all? Get an education.

  58. No name nut case says:

    This is a sovereign nation and is NOT a theocracy. For those who don’t like that GET OVER IT!
    For those who weren’t aware of this LEARN WHAT THAT MEANS.

  59. Robert J. Garcia says:

    The POPE? Oh yeah, that guy at the Vatican. I love Jesus, I don’t need a pope as a middleman. Food and water , when one is hungry can make one a great believer. You think that boy gonna come off with some of the mountain of cash he sitting on? Nah.

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